Gay marriage is a civil rights issue! - Page 51

BigRed · #**501** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunni Man

The radical gay agenda's goal is to destroy the American family and indoctrinate the children to become involved in their devient lifestyle.

Yep and effectively take over America. Eventually we'll have a gay dictator for President that will begin a holocaust of heterosexuals.

[/sarcasm]

Sunni Man · #**502** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lackluster

Goodness, when I was 17 the older brothers of my peers were coming home to America in boxes, the celebration of my birthday looked to be some sort of bizarre Russian roulette where my life or death was dependant on a birthday lottery and 4 young people had just been gunned down in an Ohio school for protesting this situation. The unquestioning acceptance of my parent's values was about the last thing on my mind when I grew up.

If I were the same sort of 17 year old fellow today, I'd be asking questions instead of just accepting answers. I'd be asking questions like "If somebody didn't tell me homosexuality was bad, would I come up with the concept on my own?", "Can I apply moral reasoning based upon a rational set of principles that I apply consistantly and without bias?", "Is morality meaningful if it is completely arbitrary?", "Are the values I hold dear in one instance suddenly void when applied to another?", or "Can I place myself in the shoes of another to the point of empathizing with their situation?".

That latter concept, especially, was pretty big for a certain Jewish carpenter who had many things to say about many issues, but did not denounce homosexuality. If this were really the central issue to his teachings, don't you think he might have at least mentioned it?

Obviously, you haven't read the Bible. There are many verses condemming Homos and their lifestyle.

It calls them dogs and says that in NO way will they be allowed into Heaven.

Lackluster · #**503** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Obviously, you haven't read the Bible. There are many verses condemming Homos andd their lifestyle.

It calls them dogs and says that in NO way will they be allowed into Heaven.

I did not say Bible, I said "Jewish carpenter" aka, Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus DID NOT call anybody "dogs.

Looks like you are the one who hasn't read the thing.

Sunni Man · #**504** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 06:58 AM

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Genesis 19:4-8
"Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. "Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof." "

Jude 1:7
"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion."

Leviticus 18:22 says:
"And with a man you shall not lie with as a man lies with a woman; it is an abomination."

Romans 1:26-27
"Because of this [idolatry], God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Lackluster · #**505** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Genesis 19:4-8
"Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. "Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof." "

Jude 1:7
"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion."

Leviticus 18:22 says:
"And with a man you shall not lie with as a man lies with a woman; it is an abomination."

Romans 1:26-27
"Because of this [idolatry], God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

I was unaware that these are all quotes from Jesus.

Wow -- you learn something new every day! and from a Wahabist, no less.........

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Sunni Man · #**506** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lackluster

I did not say Bible, I said "Jewish carpenter" aka, Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus DID NOT call anybody "dogs.

Looks like you are the one who hasn't read the thing.

In the Book of Revelations in the Bible where Jesus is talking it says"

Rev. 22:15 Outside are dogs, sorcerers, immoral people, murderers, idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Homosexuals were refered to as "Dogs" in the Hebrew language.

Sunni Man · #**507** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lackluster

I was unaware that these are all quotes from Jesus.

Wow -- you learn something new every day! and from a Wahabist, no less.........

.

Before converting to Islam, I taught Sunday School for many years, held Bible studies at my home, and gave public talks on Christian Theology and Doctrine.

Lackluster · #**508** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Before converting to Islam, I taught Sunday School for many years, held Bible studies at my home, and gave public talks on Christian Theology and Doctrine.

and that's where you developed the rather unusual notion that it was Jesus who wrote the old testament?

Sunni Man · #**509** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lackluster

and that's where you developed the rather unusual notion that it was Jesus who wrote the old testament?

Where did I say that?

Basically I have backed you into a theological corner.

And you have nothing to say except ignorant comments

Lackluster · #**510** (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Where did I say that?

Basically I have backed you into a theological corner.

And you have nothing to say except ignorant comments

You response to my statement referencing Jesus was to cut and paste quotes from (for the most part) the old testament.

You have certainly indulged in sophistry and prevarication, but you have backed me into no corners, theological or otherwise.

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