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Old 06-17-2008, 03:57 PM
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I don't care what Victorians did, or didn't do, or thought.

Any homosexual sex is sick and perverted.

Extreme preoccupation and intolerance for, and about what other adults do sexually in the privacy of their own homes is sick and perverted, IMO. It's nobody else's business.
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Even animals engage in homosexual play. Boy and girl animals of the same gender 'hump' each other, lick, nuzzle and nip in play.
I have seen a dog hump a football.

Just because an animal gets confused.

Doesn't mean it's endorsing homosexuality.
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I have seen a dog hump a football.

Just because an animal gets confused.

Doesn't mean it's endorsing homosexuality.
My point was homosexuality is natural. We see displays of homosexual behavior in the play of animals.

I think what annoys people the most about homosexual and lesbian lovemaking is that it is ALL play and no work. No work to get pregnant.

For the gay and lesbians couples who want children, they have to work at it just like heterosexuals. Gays and lesbians have to be MORE conscious and planned in creating a family than heterosexual couples.
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By the way, I heard a heart warming story about Del Martin and Phyllis Lyons. They are a lesbian couple in their eighties who have been together for 50 years. They were legally married yesterday in the Mayor of San Francisco's office.

One is in a wheelchair. They are happy to finally have legal status as a loving couple.

Gay marriage is legal in California today!
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Gay marriage is legal in California today!
Come November, that license will be worthless.
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Me: But oral sex is not? Does Islam allow oral sex?

Islam makes no comment on this issue.
Does Islam make a comment on anal sex between men and women?
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That doesn't mean the end of the story.
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From an animal viewpoint, the purpose of sex is procreation. From a human viewpoint, the purpose of sex is more than procreation. It's about play, connection, joy, delighting in pleasure, relationship.

Homosexuality is natural. Even animals engage in homosexual play. Boy and girl animals of the same gender 'hump' each other, lick, nuzzle and nip in play.
But I'm not focused on the human viewpoint - I'm focusing on the strictly biological standpoint. Forget the artificial insemination that Sadistic-Savior proposed, the bottom line is that we humans reproduce through sexual - as opposed to asexual - means. It takes one sperm gamete and one egg gamete to create one zygote - two sperm gametes cannot initate the process of mammalian reproduction, nor can two egg gametes. Two male homosexuals cannot reproduce without the presence of a female (egg gamete), two lesbians cannot reproduce without the presence of a male (sperm gamete).

Homosexual sex does not and cannot lead to reproduction of the species, only heterosexual sex provides the ability to reproduce.

So, from a purely 100% biological viewpoint - homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't lead to reproduction of the species. Male or female mammals may engage in homosexual behavior for a variety of reasons, some of which you've listed above. - but it doesn't lead to reproduction of their particular species. Only heterosexual sex can.

And as I stated above, from a moralistic viewpoint - I could care less what two or more consenting adults do with or to themselves. There's too much hate in this world as it is. If Adam and Steve, or Jane and Jill find happiness in a homosexual relationship with each other - who am I to say it's wrong?

If Melissa Etheridge is happy with Lou Diamond Phillips' ex-wife, I'm happy for them. I don't see why they'd choose David Crosby to father their child - personally I'd have gone after Dennis Hopper - but if they're happy, ca plane pour moi!
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By the way, I heard a heart warming story about Del Martin and Phyllis Lyons. They are a lesbian couple in their eighties who have been together for 50 years. They were legally married yesterday in the Mayor of San Francisco's office.

One is in a wheelchair. They are happy to finally have legal status as a loving couple.

Gay marriage is legal in California today!
I read about this in the paper today. I find it amazing that two people can be together after 50 years. How anyone can look at them and decide their love for each other is wrong, and not as worthy as heterosexual love/marriage, is beyond me.
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