View Poll Results: Should a child be able to get reparative therapy if s/he desires it?

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  • No, once gay, no matter how they got there, stay there.

    10 35.71%
  • Maybe, if the child was molested and has compulsions from that.

    1 3.57%
  • Yes, any therapy chosen by the patient should be availible

    12 42.86%
  • Yes, I thought anyone could choose any type of orientation they want, even to change it.

    5 17.86%
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Thread: Breaking Current Event California Makes Elective Reparative Therapy Illegal

  1. Default Breaking Current Event California Makes Elective Reparative Therapy Illegal

    The California Senate on Wednesday [May 30 2012] voted 23-13 to prohibit minors from receiving therapy aimed at changing their sexual orientation.

    Senate Bill 1172 by Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, now heads to the Assembly. Groups representing psychiatrists and psychologists still oppose the measure, but two mental health groups that originally opposed it came on board after Lieu made key changes.

    Lieu agreed to remove one provision that allowed lawsuits against therapists who have used the therapy and another that required therapists to receive written informed consent before using "reparative therapy" on an adult.

    "This bill seeks to ban a form of junk science known as reparative therapy," Lieu said. He added that the therapy often causes permanent harm and thoughts of suicide. http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/31/v-p...an-on-gay.html
    Even if an adolescent or child was molested, knows he was molested and has unwanted homosexual compulsions as a result of that forced-imprinting, he may not legally be able to access any therapy that teaches him his compulsions are foisted and if he so chooses can be changed. So get that kids? Now once you're molested by a gay person in California, you MAY NOT GET THERAPY FOR IT, if that therapy suggests your unwanted homosexual compulsions resulting from the assaults is not what you naturally were "born to be".

    Amazing. The crime of cyclic-pedophilia is now officially a mandate in California. Don't forget to celebrate Harvey Milk/Gay Day there!

    Gays are controlling science itself. Wow. Just wow...

    And while you're letting that sink in, the supposed impetus for this new law "gay teen suicide" has not yet been fully studied as to why gay teens commit suicide...especially if they were molested as boys or girls.

    Read this link and let the ramifications of SB 1172 sink in... Gay Teen Suicide: A Range of Causes

    Imagine a young boy molested by his scout leader or priest, or uncle, or male cousin, or older brother, or friend of an older brother, father, grandfather, the janitor at his school, repeatedly right at the onset of puberty. He is conflicted, wants a family but for some "strange" reason finds himself sexually attracted only to males as an older adolescent. This attraction causes him angst, but it is a compulsion he cannot overcome. He enters therapy to encounter a "professional" who tells him he can in no way help him try to realize his dream of throwing off homosexual compulsive feelings and take a wife and have children and live as his father did. The gay teen, despondent, even surrounded by his community that "loves and supports his orientation", finds no resolution to that internal angst. In the quiet hours of the morning just after an all night sex-capade at a gay bath house, he puts a revolver in his mouth and pulls the trigger..
    Let's not understand what's happening. Let's just keep passing laws that corral vulnerable youth straight into the chute of gay sex without choice. Imagine being plagued by memories of being molested by a same-gendered adult, learning to enjoy that sex [molestees often do], becoming imprinted to that sexual compulsion and wanting a normal life at the same time?

    Now you're stuck and may not get therapy...even if your very life depends on it.
    Last edited by Silhouette; May 31 2012 at 10:32 AM.
    HARVEY MILK Open, unapologetic and documented sodomizer of a drug-addicted, mentally ill 16 year old minor boy, and written in law who "embodies the GLBT movement". In California, kids are mandated to hold celebrations in his honor in schools. Harvey Milk promoted gay promiscuity [and therefore AIDS] and it was documented by his close gay friend and biographer Randy Shilts that Milk "always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse issues."


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    Ironic...

    Flashbacks on Sexual Abuse Still Haunt Adults : Society often looks for other causes for self- destructive behavior, but therapy can help those who were molested when they were children.

    ..Her father abused her sexually from the time she was 3 until he had a stroke and died when she was 12. She remembers two occasions when she was molested by both her grandmother and her father.

    She's 39 now, and the flashbacks are still coming. But she's not hiding anymore because, she told a group of about 300 therapists attending a conference in Mission Viejo Friday: "What I have to say is more important than being silent and safe."

    Yeilding and her husband, Fred, were among a number of speakers who participated in an all-day conference called "Treating Adults Molested as Children," which was co-sponsored by the UC Irvine Psychiatry Service and Capistrano by the Sea Hospital.

    The conference was needed, speaker John Briere pointed out, because the incidence of sexual abuse is much higher than most of us think, and so little has been written about it that therapists who counsel survivors practically have to start from scratch...

    .."There is no lightweight stuff," he added, explaining that a single incident of fondling can be as traumatic as rape. And the pain can last a lifetime, as it has for one 82-year-old woman who still has at least one nightmare a week about an incident that happened when she was 8 years old...

    .."During sex the survivor may relive sexual abuse," Briere noted. "A lot of major sexual dysfunctions therapists see in their everyday practice are effects of sexual abuse."

    Theresa Thomsen, a social worker who helps families deal with chemical dependency at Capistrano by the Sea Hospital in Dana Point, said many survivors turn to compulsive, addictive, self-destructive behavior that deadens their pain while reinforcing their inner conviction that "I'm not worth anything."

    They may find refuge in alcohol or drugs, sex or gambling, shopping or overeating..

    ..He said incest survivors have difficulty in adult relationships because "the most fundamental trusting relationship has been violated. It's a violation of the most sacred boundary between parent and child--the boundary between sex and love.

    "This results in a dreaded terror of intimacy while you're feeling an almost primal, deep craving for it."

    He became promiscuous, he said, because sex gave him a feeling of pseudo-intimacy when real closeness was not possible because he was unable to trust.

    This survivor, who describes himself as a recovered alcoholic and sex addict, was 48 before he had his first memory of the "ritualistic abuse" he suffered from infancy through adolescence, a victim of his father, two grandparents and a brother.


    His message to other survivors: "Don't close the door. Be willing to accept that it might have happened to you, even if you have no conscious memory of it." http://articles.latimes.com/1990-09-...1_sexual-abuse
    Well guess what big guy? California just slammed that door shut in children's faces. Now, if they were able to confront those unwanted compulsions as kids, maybe they wouldn't have nightmares and suicidal behaviors as adults or older teens.

    Jesus H. Christ California...do you just sit around figuring out what makes sense and then do the opposite just out of spite or sheer stupidity?
    HARVEY MILK Open, unapologetic and documented sodomizer of a drug-addicted, mentally ill 16 year old minor boy, and written in law who "embodies the GLBT movement". In California, kids are mandated to hold celebrations in his honor in schools. Harvey Milk promoted gay promiscuity [and therefore AIDS] and it was documented by his close gay friend and biographer Randy Shilts that Milk "always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse issues."

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    And just in case California forgot what the experts are saying about cyclic pedophilia...

    Mayo Clinic 2007 Special Article

    One of the most obvious examples of an environmental
    factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming
    an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child.
    This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”
    or “abused-abusers phenomena.”5,23,24,46..

    ..Many theories have speculated on why the “abused abusers
    phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor,
    in which the abused child is trying to gain a new
    identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual
    arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse
    leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning
    took place.23,24,4
    http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf
    If you're caught in this cycle in California, you're screwed, literally, figuratively and now LEGALLY.. For there is no hope for you little ones...
    Last edited by Silhouette; May 31 2012 at 11:02 AM.
    HARVEY MILK Open, unapologetic and documented sodomizer of a drug-addicted, mentally ill 16 year old minor boy, and written in law who "embodies the GLBT movement". In California, kids are mandated to hold celebrations in his honor in schools. Harvey Milk promoted gay promiscuity [and therefore AIDS] and it was documented by his close gay friend and biographer Randy Shilts that Milk "always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse issues."

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    "There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies on the gears, and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus. And you've got to make it stop

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    you can still get therapy for molestation in CA....how stupid
    "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida. That has to be our biggest national security priority." -BHO, Oct 08

    Obama took that 3am phone call....and then shot OBL in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mello Guy View Post
    you can still get therapy for molestation in CA....how stupid
    Remember- all of this is Harvey Milk's fault.....
    The problem with marriage is that we heterosexuals are not honoring marriage sufficiently- not with homosexuals wanting to get married.

    Every child a homosexual couples has is a desired child.

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    Reparative "therapy" does not work.

    The one person (who is quoted endlessly by the social conservative noise machine) who ever lent any credibility to the claim that it might work has now denounced that claim.

    http://www.advocate.com/health/2012/...y-people-video

    Every major medical and social scientific body in the whole of the developed world holds the same opinion.

    People who have suffered genuine trauma as a result of childhood sexual abuse are not barred from seeking treatment for issues arising from that abuse. That is simply a mean-spirited and devisive lie which impugnes the very good work carried out by respected medical personnel.

    The people who carry out this kind of "therapy" are not barred from doing the exact same thing but they must call it faith healing (because that's what it is) or something else which does not give lie to the fact that it has grounding in any credible scientific basis.
    TEAMOSIL:
    It's like if I quoted the American Nazi Party and tried to claim that they're the definitive source of information about Jews because they're the ones "dealing with the problem"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    Remember- all of this is Harvey Milk's fault.....
    im not sure why shes always attacking Korean War Veteran, Navy officer Harvey Milk....

    maybe its hatred of the military?

    "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida. That has to be our biggest national security priority." -BHO, Oct 08

    Obama took that 3am phone call....and then shot OBL in the face.

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    Hey none of you gay advocates voted to keep kids gay. Go ahead and add your votes at the top.

    you can still get therapy for molestation in CA....how stupid
    Not if it includes the topic of ridding the child of unwanted homosexual compulsive behavior you can't. It's now illegal and parents can get in trouble if they seek it out. Also the law effectively ties the hands of therapists to help such a child afflicted in such a way by having been molested. Did you read the OP where "Groups representing psychiatrists and psychologists still oppose the measure" ? That's because banning someone who, for whatever reason, THEMSELVES want to change their orientation via therapy is antithetical to the practice of psychology.

    In other words this is unprecedented. For the first time we have laypeople dictating to psychologists as a matter of strongarm law what they can and cannot discuss with their patients. That's putting kids in a mental lockdown. And that's about as sick as it gets. No wonder "gay" kids are killing themselves right and left.. People tend to do that when they feel there's no way out of their brutal and unrelenting angst. Even while "supported" by "a loving community that wants them to embrace it"...

    Wow wow wow....totally as twisted as it gets. You can choose to go gay but BY GOD you WILL NOT be allowed to choose not-gay...
    Last edited by Silhouette; May 31 2012 at 01:59 PM.
    HARVEY MILK Open, unapologetic and documented sodomizer of a drug-addicted, mentally ill 16 year old minor boy, and written in law who "embodies the GLBT movement". In California, kids are mandated to hold celebrations in his honor in schools. Harvey Milk promoted gay promiscuity [and therefore AIDS] and it was documented by his close gay friend and biographer Randy Shilts that Milk "always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse issues."

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    You missed an option in your poll:

    Reparative therapy has no clinical basis and should not be sold as if it has.
    TEAMOSIL:
    It's like if I quoted the American Nazi Party and tried to claim that they're the definitive source of information about Jews because they're the ones "dealing with the problem"...

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