Thread: Must engage in heterosexual sex to receive College Scholarship- is that fair + just?

Well, as far as the original one being restricted based on how they have sex, that doesn't appear completely true

"Point Foundation provides financial support, mentoring, leadership training and hope to meritorious students who are marginalized due to sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression"
"No, it is not required that you identify within the LGBT community to apply. Additionally, Point realizes that identities within "LGBT" do not apply to everyone on the Queer spectrum, and Point welcomes all spectrums of the Queer community to apply. Point does require that you have a history of leadership in or alliance with issues that affect the LGBT/Queer community and you must plan to continue this leadership/alliance in the future."

Presumably, the "gender identity or gender expression" could come in the form of a person having sex with either gender.

That said, the point is irrelevant, as presumably someone COULD limit one to homosexuals, just as some scholarships have been limited to heterosexuals. Is it right? Well, scholarships do often tend to be focused on those that are marginalized, itself being one of the criteria of the scholarship program linked. It makes sense that such efforts are made, but I also concede that such efforts can go too far. In terms of it being a scholarship, like mentioned, people make all sorts of sometimes arbitrary restrictions on who qualifies, so I would call such a restriction par for the course worst case scenario. People can make what restrictions they want for the gifts, and I wouldn't call this a problem unless its ultimate function was to restrict who can and can't go to college.

If it is a private scholarship, they have the right to set the terms, however offensive they may be. People have a right to give their money to who they want.

Originally Posted by BullsLawDan

Did I stutter? No, of course I wouldn't.

Here's what I said again. Explain where I lost you: Giving a gift is a private matter, and you have a right to set whatever terms you want on a gift.

For scholarships paid by private institutes I would have to agree. But, any public colleges, who use tax money to pay for scholarships, would not be allowed to do it since public schools can not discriminate based on sexual orientation.

Originally Posted by Daggdag

For scholarships paid by private institutes I would have to agree. But, any public colleges, who use tax money to pay for scholarships, would not be allowed to do it since public schools can not discriminate based on sexual orientation.

Depends on the source, of course. As a public institution, a scholarship should be awarded on a basis closely related to their mission.

I'm not sure if funding a scholarship is a tax deduction, but you might be entering a bit of a gray area in that case.

Originally Posted by sec

Imagine a scholarship program where how you have sex determines if you qualify or not. In todays' day and age are we not better than that? How can we be so exclusionary that we deny some people who have sex differently. I know that I would simply check off that I am heterosexual and make the scholarship people prove otherwise. Should homosexuals file suit against this?


whoops, I'm sorry, it's the other way around

http://www.pointfoundation.org/scholarships.html

Point recognizes that individuals may be socially marginalized or even abandoned by family, friends and society because of their sexual orientation, gender expression or gender identity. Yet these lives should not be further disadvantaged as they prepare for the future.

Nowhere does it say that individuals must engage in homosexual sex to receive one of these scholarships. What you've done here is illustrate yet again that you're incapable of distinguishing between orientation vs. behavior.

I'm going to call this thread exactly what it is: flamebaiting.

Originally Posted by Perriquine

Nowhere does it say that individuals must engage in homosexual sex to receive one of these scholarships. What you've done here is illustrate yet again that you're incapable of distinguishing between orientation vs. behavior.

I'm going to call this thread exactly what it is: flamebaiting.

i thank you for your opinion albeit incorrect.

I heard that in California many students are lying, saying (or strongly suggesting) that they are gay in their college applications just to get in to certain public schools such as Berkeley. It's sad that it has come down to this, students having to pretend to be homosexuals so they do not get openly discriminated against in the admissions process.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

I heard that in California many students are lying...

So, you "heard". Anything to substantiate what you've "heard"?

Come on!

http://www.details.com/culture-trend...ague-admission
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/10/09/gay

Can i lie about being gay in my college applications? I am Indian, and if I were gay, then that would make me look VERY unique and colleges will love me. I am not trying to cheat my way in, but if they do find out, i can just say that i am switching back.
- Jon

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

I heard that in California many students are lying, saying (or strongly suggesting) that they are gay in their college applications just to get in to certain public schools such as Berkeley. It's sad that it has come down to this, students having to pretend to be homosexuals so they do not get openly discriminated against in the admissions process.

why not? We have a candidate for US Senator in MA who claimed to be "native American" in order to gain stature. (and liberals will still vote for her )

That is a problem with the inequality of affirmative action. As a white male I cannot make claim to being a black female but if politicians and private institutions want to make provisions for homosexuals then why not say "I'm gay" if it gets me fast tracked or extra cash? They cannot disprove my claim of being gay.

This calls into question of where the morality of the USA has gone.