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Did your Pastor allow you to continue to worship, Tresha?
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Did your Pastor allow you to continue to worship, Tresha?
Allowed it, encouraged it and when some folks from our Sunday School group wanted to leave and form their own class (because of our membership) the Senior Pastor told them nope. "get your own house in order", he told them.
The assistant Pastor was still in school (seminary, I believe) and he wrote one of his final papers on the churches attitude toward homosexuality. He interviewed myself and my then GF. Amongst the conclusions he reached was that the church would wind up owing an apology to gays and lesbians much like they did to blacks.
It was a really cool church.
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Allowed it, encouraged it and when some folks from our Sunday School group wanted to leave and form their own class (because of our membership) the Senior Pastor told them nope. "get your own house in order", he told them.
The assistant Pastor was still in school (seminary, I believe) and he wrote one of his final papers on the churches attitude toward homosexuality. He interviewed myself and my then GF. Amongst the conclusions he reached was that the church would wind up owing an apology to gays and lesbians much like they did to blacks.
It was a really cool church.
I think the churches stance has much to do with the pastor. I know that the entire Catholic is down on gays. They do allow gays to belong as long as they are not practicing. They tie it into the rules on sex being for procreation. They tie it into their ban on birth control. Some churches it just won't fly.
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Yeah, in my most recent experience, the governing church body couldn't ever quite agree on whether to completely welcome gays, ordain them, marry them, etc...; but the individual pastors and the great majority of the congregents were wonderful to us.
My step-sons still go there and I still have friends there.

Oh, the denomination is/was United Methodist. By far the most welcoming, imho, of the "traditional" Christian churches.
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Yeah, in my most recent experience, the governing church body couldn't ever quite agree on whether to completely welcome gays, ordain them, marry them, etc...; but the individual pastors and the great majority of the congregents were wonderful to us.
My step-sons still go there and I still have friends there.

Oh, the denomination is/was United Methodist. By far the most welcoming, imho, of the "traditional" Christian churches.
Yes they are welcoming. John Wesley would be spinning in his grave from what i understand of the founder of Methodism.

You are obviously a believer. I hope you find a church that holds views that accept you. there is a Luthran Church in Chicago that is always at odds with the governing officials. The pastor is openly gay and the congragation is like 70% gay.

I have always found religion which I am not very unforgiving of me.
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Allowed it, encouraged it and when some folks from our Sunday School group wanted to leave and form their own class (because of our membership) the Senior Pastor told them nope. "get your own house in order", he told them.
The assistant Pastor was still in school (seminary, I believe) and he wrote one of his final papers on the churches attitude toward homosexuality. He interviewed myself and my then GF. Amongst the conclusions he reached was that the church would wind up owing an apology to gays and lesbians much like they did to blacks.
It was a really cool church.
I would love it if all churches were like that one.
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I don't understand how random interpretations are arguments...The bible says many things, I have read about other subjects as well namely; competition of religions, in the olden days there were many religions among them "special" religions as well it turns out one religion from over 2000 years ago was a religion that had the ideology of power over a group of people as do all religions however in a different way.

In this religion there were several levels one could accomplish and to reach a higher level of spirituality a man was to engage in a sexual act with a priest. The bible has many symbolic references that have associations; homosexuality was seen differently in that period of time. I see most of the written as references as well however, not to homosexuality but to the former acts of homosexuality. Times have changed though and the whole scenario of S and G doesn't apply one bit!

What kind of intelligence do you posses if you give away all your power of decision to a book that has been translated too many times. Listen to reason and logic as well in biblical ideology and the odious extremist points you are making, sin? Since when is it evitable?
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I don't understand how random interpretations are arguments...The bible says many things, I have read about other subjects as well namely; competition of religions, in the olden days there were many religions among them "special" religions as well it turns out one religion from over 2000 years ago was a religion that had the ideology of power over a group of people as do all religions however in a different way.

In this religion there were several levels one could accomplish and to reach a higher level of spirituality a man was to engage in a sexual act with a priest. The bible has many symbolic references that have associations; homosexuality was seen differently in that period of time. I see most of the written as references as well however, not to homosexuality but to the former acts of homosexuality. Times have changed though and the whole scenario of S and G doesn't apply one bit!

What kind of intelligence do you posses if you give away all your power of decision to a book that has been translated too many times. Listen to reason and logic as well in biblical ideology and the odious extremist points you are making, sin? Since when is it evitable?
I'm not sure that I see what you are getting at.
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