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Old 04-24-2008, 07:37 AM
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Exactly, being gay is not "normal", so one chooses to be gay, which goes against the basic human instinct to be straight.
Already addressed above. That's total nonsense.
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Already addressed above. That's total nonsense.
O.K., what you say is nonsense. I am such a good debater. You no scientific evidence that gayness is "genetic" in any way. It is just like saying anorexia or gambling is a "disease". People cannot accept their own choice or habits and need a reason to say that it is somehow in their genes.
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Didn't you claim you could not choose to be gay?

If you cant choose, what makes you think everyone else can?
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Didn't you claim you could not choose to be gay?

If you cant choose, what makes you think everyone else can?
I said that being gay is a choice, I could choose to be gay, but i don't want to.
Again, if you are born gay, PROVE IT. By your logic noone can be held responsible to anything they do because they were born to do it. Murders were born to be murderers. Drug addicts were born to do drugs. People just need a way to not be held responsible for thier choices.
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I said that being gay is a choice, I could choose to be gay, but i don't want to.
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Again, if you are born gay, PROVE IT.
My proof is that there are lots of people making the same claims as me. The vast majority of people actually.


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By your logic noone can be held responsible to anything they do because they were born to do it.
If it is out of their control, that is true. I already gave you examples.


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Drug addicts were born to do drugs.
Which is true. Alcoholism (for example) is hereditary. We dont outlaw vices unless they interfere with someone else's rights. It isnt against the law to be an alcoholic. We dont forbid alcoholics from marrying each other.


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Murders were born to be murderers.
If they can prove they are insane (meaning they cant control themselves), we dont hold them responsible for their murders.


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People just need a way to not be held responsible for thier choices.
Which is easy to say when your choices are legal and accepted.

But the empirical evidence does not support your conclusion that all gays choose to be homos. Your own words contradict that theory.
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If it is out of their control, that is true. I already gave you examples.



Which is true. Alcoholism (for example) is hereditary. We dont outlaw vices unless they interfere with someone else's rights. It isnt against the law to be an alcoholic. We dont forbid alcoholics from marrying each other.



If they can prove they are insane (meaning they cant control themselves), we dont hold them responsible for their murders.



Which is easy to say when your choices are legal and accepted.

But the empirical evidence does not support your conclusion that all gays choose to be homos. Your own words contradict that theory.
That is not what I said. If EVERY gay is born gay, then EVERY murderer is born a murderer. EVERY drug addict was born that way. I choose to be straight because i like girls not guys, it is that simple.
I make several choices that aren't legally accepted (illegal actually, sshh) but I realize that it is my choice and I do not look for something to blame MY CHOICES on.
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That is not what I said. If EVERY gay is born gay
That depends on what you define as gay. Some people are attracted to both in varying degrees. Some people are saying that they are only attracted to one or the other.



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Then how is it a choice? When did you choose to be attracted to girls?


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I make several choices that aren't legally accepted (illegal actually, sshh) but I realize that it is my choice and I do not look for something to blame MY CHOICES on.
"Blame" is a word you are using. We are simply explaining why it is not a choice, not placing blame.

If you didn't choose to like girls, what makes you think homos chose to like guys?
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That depends on what you define as gay. Some people are attracted to both in varying degrees. Some people are saying that they are only attracted to one or the other.




Then how is it a choice? When did you choose to be attracted to girls?



"Blame" is a word you are using. We are simply explaining why it is not a choice, not placing blame.

If you didn't choose to like girls, what makes you think homos chose to like guys?
First of all, why do you omit parts of what I say. Address my point that ALL murders are born to do it. It is the exact same thing. It is a choice.
As I said before, it is a natural human instinct to be attracted to women. Gays make the choice to me attracted to men. If being gay was natural then we would be extinct.
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O.K., what you say is nonsense. I am such a good debater. You no scientific evidence that gayness is "genetic" in any way.
Observational data is indeed scientific. It's true that they haven't proven the genetic link yet, but the facts in evidence point very strongly toward it not being a choice.

That being said, I don't really care if it is or not. My position on the issue doesn't change regardless.
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Observational data is indeed scientific. It's true that they haven't proven the genetic link yet, but the facts in evidence point very strongly toward it not being a choice.

That being said, I don't really care if it is or not. My position on the issue doesn't change regardless.
All you have is heresay, address this then.
If ALL gays are born gay, Then ALL murderers are born murderes.
That is exactly what your theory leads to.
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