No, it doesn't. I did not use the word problem, did I? Still, the inability to produce offspring could be considered a "problem."

Actually, it appears likely the same/similar process is going to work on humans.

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Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
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I think that gayness is a choice. So basically when I see a person that has chosen that lifestyle I consider it "acting" gay. Now if someone chooses that lifestyle, while I don't agree with the choice I don't want to take away their right choose that lifestyle either.

On another note, I don't believe that because our laws do not allow them to get married (which I think is the right choice) they should be penalized by our tax system. So I believe that some sort of legal arrangement should be able to made that gives them equal rights to tax-benefits, inheritance and visitation that married couples have.

[quote=eleanoraquitaine;496680]No, it doesn't. I did not use the word problem, did I? Still, the inability to produce offspring could be considered a "problem."
[/qutoe]The fact that I said "this assumes it is a problem" means I was not accusing you of saying it was a problem. If you said it was a problem, I would not need to say it was an assumption that you said it. And true, this might be considered a problem if the world really needed more children. And I might also point out that being gay doesn’t mean you can't reproduce. It just means your lover is of the same sex, it doesn’t mean society would be unable to form some system where opposite sexes would come together for the purpose of reproduction.
Good. After that, we can start giving white people black pigmentation.

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I take no claim with your belief in choice. I think our right to choose is as vital as our right to be who we are.

I also take no claim, in principle with your second claim. I could care less if it's legally called marriage. My only concern is that establishing a completely new term that is recognised in every state and by the federal government with equal rights is difficult to do and will likely lead to continued discrimination. It's easier just to expand the meaning of marriage in the context of the law.

However, if it could be done with a civil union, I have nothing agianst this idea. Scemantics is a silly issue to me.

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http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Histor...dOfThebes.html I think this proves it is genetic not choice? I would be proud ( not in the pants department) to fight beside these men!

Actually, it it looks to me more to show that it is cultural, unless you are saying these men all came from the same gene pool.

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I would like to state I dont care, I think gays have as much right to be happy as I do, but I do think it is genetic if you want an answer

I would add I find it rather puerile that people need to ask this question but maybe thats because I am an atheist, so I dont have hangups created by a book full of twaddle

Marriage is a religious term and ceremony, it is also defined in the Bible as the one man and one woman.

With that said, based on choice gay couples have decided to be together. I see no reason that the government should oppresively tax them, they should be able to inherit and visit when sick and in the hospital. Other than that nothing else should be changed.

In the uk even if you get married in church of any type you have to sign a legal document that relates to laws passed to stop bigamy.

I think you have the same thing, it is to stop the religious mumbo jumbo of multiple marriages.

We have also a law that says you can be married without any form of religious mumbo jumbo at anyplace with a licence.

As an athiest I have no interest in the bible.

I agree the world needs less population, not more. But, I was speaking on a personal basis for gays as far as not being able to have their own children being a "problem." There are certainly other problems with being gay, including discrimination. So, I can see that some/many/most gays would choose to take the treatment and become normal.

Somehow, I doubt many people would choose that treatment, but if they do then more power to them. Such simple genetic alterations, eye color, hair color, skin color, etc, will be available in 10-15 years.

As far as gay marriage, I am 100% against it. But, I am fine with just calling them civil unions and including all the same rights. But, words do matter and marriage is a religious institution that shouldn't be controlled by the government and unfortunately is in this case, marriage licenses, etc.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.