I'm sorry akc, religions have a monopoly on all that is good. If it's not religious or traditional, it's deviant and defiant of our moral and social fabric that holds us together. That 4 year old child of yours born out of wedlock is just the start of the moral indecencies society has come to accept... and the beginning of the end of our civilization. I can only thank god that you did get married by the time she was 4. I fear much longer and she may have been doomed. Only through the blessing of a priest (or at least the paper from a judge) will our society survive.

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We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

The reason I say that is because me and you are clearly on two very seperate ends of the spectrum here.

I consider myself a good person, and (*)(*)(*)(*) sure consider myself a good father. I love my family and treat others how I want to be treated.

Thats all im going to ask of my daughter. I honestly dont care if she grows up and experiements with drugs, or heck if she ends up a lesbian.

I simply want her to treat other people well and want her to understand that respect isnt a right its earned. You earn respect by treating other people with that same sort of respect.

I dont need religion to teach her those things. I dont see how religion should have anything to do with morals, considering religion is nothing but blind faith with no fact to back it up.

You clearly feel differently on this topic though...MUCH differently than me. I can respect that and I respect your opinion, I just think that the two of us are so far apart on this that it may not even be worth debating because neither of us could possibly change the others mind even a little bit lol.

I look forward to discussing plenty of topics with you though. You will find on most things that if someone can present me with factual evidence and proof on an issue that I am not bull headed and will listen to and give credence to other peoples stances on issues.

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The definition and tradition of marriage has already gotten too screwed up and loose as it is. It's tearing apart our social fabric. We need to get back to the understanding that it's just not good for society that people of upper castes can marry those of lower casts, and that mixing people of inferior races and religions is not good for society.

And women, puh. Don't get me started. All this femanism and equality is a bunch of bull crap if you ask me. Kick those women back in the kitchen where they belong and take back your rights over your wives. It's not like you give your other property rights.

Why? Because the bible says so. It's a celebration of the real tradition, roots and definition of marriage! The so caled "definition" and "tradition" of marriage simply as between a man and a woman is a lie invented by modern "conservatives". Real conservatives know marriage today is nothing like it was back in the glory days.

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The "sanctity of marriage" argument cracks me up.

I want them to prove a man and a man or a woman and a woman marriage somehow tarnishes the "sanctity of marriage", but the man and a woman marriage doesn't.

Lol, apparently I didn't put enough dripping sarcasm on it... I'm sorry to disappoint you akc, but you and I will probably be talking from the same side of the spectrum most of the time.

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Government should get out of the marriage business. It's a religious institution, not civic. Government should only ensure that legal rights pertaining to civil unions are enforced.

If a heterosexual couple wants to go through the religious ceremony of marriage, find a church and get married.

If a homosexual couple wants to go through the religious ceremony of marriage, find a church and get married.

If either couple just wants to ensure that their partner has all the legal rights that current married people enjoy, register your civil union with the government. Oh, and pay to process the paperwork, of course!

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Originally Posted by Inferno You just don't relate to my sense of humor. How about this. Gosh darn funny man living in a whale. doncha know that gawd could do that I betcha he could. wink wink.

Im awful at spotting sarcasm online so yeah I missed it and will probably miss it again in the future lol.

But now that I read it again I caught it...and yes that was funny lol.

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"Never spend your money before you have earned it."

--Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage is a majority."

--Thomas Jefferson

That's pretty much how things work, except "civil unions" are called "marriages", and traditional churches would never offer a wedding and bestow a marriage to a homosexual couple.

Go into your local gummint office and request a 'civil union' license. Let me know how that works out.

Maybe the people who care about traditional churches are those who want traditional marriages, and those that want untraditional marriages will seek out untraditional churches.