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Old 05-03-2004, 07:01 PM
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Default The amendment is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

What ever happened to All Men Are Created Equal? Marriage should be allowed to all people. Not allowing gays the same rights as straight people is against the very foundations of our country. It's a facist view not to accept gays. Hitler persecuted gays as well as all the other people... I mean come on!!

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Old 05-05-2004, 08:00 AM
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What ever happened to All Men Are Created Equal? Marriage should be allowed to all people. Not allowing gays the same rights as straight people is against the very foundations of our country. It's a facist view not to accept gays. Hitler persecuted gays as well as all the other people... I mean come on!!

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-it should be free to all American citizens according to the constitution...
As far as "all men are created equal", I'd remind you that that quotation came not from the Constitution, but rather the Declaration of Independence. It has no bearing on the discussion. Also, we know that as a founding principle it really didn't mean "all men are equal", it meant all "white, rich, protestant, land-owning, MEN" were equal.

Also, I assure you, ammending the constitution to say that gay-marriages do not have to be recognized is ENTIRELY constitutional. We can change the constitution to say what ever we want it to.

I much rather we didn't ammend it to outlaw gay-marriage.
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:22 PM
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Default Unfortunately true

They did indeed mean landed white gentry...other than that they were brilliant...
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:44 PM
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Default I agree...

I was definately not trying to trash the FF.
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Old 05-06-2004, 02:23 PM
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This is one of those cases where I agree with the person on their end opinion, but wish they'd stop fighting for the cause till they studdied a bit more ^_^.

The phrase "Certain inalienable Rights" has always been the one with the most power to me. What rights should be inalienable to individuals? That is the argument, and my opinion is well on the side of the fence that prommisses equal treatment to Gay individuals in all facets of society. I believe that what we need is to add "or sexual preference" to the constitution in a particular spot which I'm sure you all know too well.

Men in political terms, NOW means, humans, thankfully.
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Old 05-09-2004, 01:00 PM
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Default Hah!

Look, I'm seriously not making fun of you, but I have to point out the irony in someone telling others that they should "study" more when they mispell the word studied.

Look, again, don't quote the DoI like it has any legal bearing at all. In fact, the document is completely illegal. Basically, the thing is formal notice of high treason. Inalieanable rights? Obviously not being a slave wasn't an inalienable right. You'd think that would conflict with "Life, Liberty, Ect..."

Is marriage an inalienable right? Nope. Neither straight old hetrosexual, or new fangled homosexual. Marriage is a legal distinction that a state can decide upon. Yeah, I know what the Bible says, but the Bible is fiction.
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Old 05-10-2004, 04:19 PM
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I deserved that one. Thanks.

The declaration isn't a legal document, but it was one of the founding documents of our country. I wasn't pointing to it as support for nonconstitutionality so much as what I believe is the spirit of America. The people that formed this country did so for reasons of dissagreement with the brittish crown. They were being mistreated legally and wanted it to stop. They decided that the best way to do this was to obtain self governing autonomy from the crown who only saw them as a cash cow. They believed that they had rights, such as the persuit of happiness, which their government was denying them.

Often the incongruous actions of people in the US after these documents were written is held as evidence that they did not truly believe or mean them. I'm not even going to argue that subject. My only point is that they are good and true ideals for a government to strive to. Equality and fair treatment for all.

My point was that if there's to be an ammendment made, let it be one to increase the freedom of the people of this country rather than to take it away. A freedom taken is not easily reaquired, especially if it's written in the country's constitution.
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I couldn't agree more.
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