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Old 02-17-2006, 08:33 AM
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WW3 is an often debated, everyone has an opinion some surly will be correct when it comes to pass and some not. Well I am here to give you mine, and I believe current world affairs are stepping in that direction.

Here are my thoughts of the major role players that will be in WW3

Alliance A-
America
Israel (WW3 will be almost completely there fault.)
India
Japan
Britain
France
Germany

Eventually
Brazil and most of S. America

VS

Alliance B
China (see its chance for world domination)
Russia
Iran
North Korea
Syria
Palestine
Most of Eastern Europe leaving out the Baltic state to the north.
Venezuela

Countries that will be in the war but not necessarily part of either alliance.

Pakistan



I believe whole-heartedly that WW3 will take place with in the next 1-2 years, but defiantly before 2008.


Ok now to my thoughts on how, why and who will win.

I believe it will all start when America aiding ISRAEL bombards Iran, perhaps using nuclear weapons perhaps not, but defiantly a heavy attack. This will throw Russia into the conflict coming to defend Iran. At this moment Syria will attack Israel along with Palestine as they see a moment of weakness with there only ally America at war with Iran.

China will then join the alliance with Russia. Russia will retreat out of Iran, which will be the real start of WW3. The Chinese-Russian alliance will launch a heavy strike on the United States at all there major cities, and the US will return fire. China fighting America in there own hemisphere will seek an ally that they will find in Venezuela and perhaps Cuba be definitely Venuzlua. They will supply China with oil and other resources. As well as a base to put troops.

By this time the Western European allies will join the conflict as will Japan on the US side. China will invade Japan and N .Korea will do the same to S. Korea. Japan will fall with in months and S. Korea within weeks. At this same time Russia will be sending aid to Syria and Palestine, because of its hatred of Israel. When the war is looking to hit its peak India will surprise attack china in the defense of America causing a war also with Pakistan. Pakistan will invade India therefore causing India to fight a two front war.

Russia in about the 4th year of the war will re-invade Iran and take it back. China and Russia will then launch to major invasions one to the west from China and Russia, and her E. Europe allies from the east. America in its last strive will launce a massive nuclear, biological, a chemical strike onto China, Russia, and Iran and Syria. By this time, Israel had fallen to Palestine. Though mainland China will be destroyed, there large population will serve them well, Russia being nearly wiped out will finally with draw from the war as America falls after hundreds of years of democracy.

The only nations remaining to stand against China the occupier of America and most of the east will be W.Eruope. China not fearing an attack will launch invasion to the south taking Burma, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia, before destroying Australia.

W. Europe will then form a new alliance with Italy and Spain joining.
China will then turn on its once allies Russia and N.Korea and invade her but first taking Mongolia. The fall of Russian will come quick as China will continue its invasion clear up to the German border. Finally the W. Europeans Allies will fight back and launce a counter invasion repelling China, and taking back land for several months regaining territory clear up to the Greek border. China will then withdraw its troops from Venezuela, Brazil and Argentina seeing that China has left S. America and seeing there threat of socialism will attack and conquer Venezuela within months. Brazil and Argentina will then join the allies and fight China. China now on its heals after the war has been being fault now for the last 10 years begins to seek peace as its once booming population was now falling and fast from a decade of war and nuclear attacks.

The fighting will continue for another 3 years with the war finally ending after 13 ½ years. China agrees to end the war not because they couldn’t fight but because they couldn’t win. W. Europe and
S. America aggress to let China keep Mongolia and its Southeast Asian nations to end the war. China will then withdraw from all other nations including Japan and the US.

Now with the world population cut down well over half and world in almost complete anarchy, most nations now have no governments or leaders.

I believe after WW3 the world will see the downfall of democracy and the resurrection of autocracy and fascism. The new world powers will be Brazil, UK, and Argentina.

America, Russia, and nearly all other major players will form new autocratic governments and will be considerably smaller because a large part of each nations land will be unusable because of the nuclear attacks.

The conclusion of WW3 will be the fall of America and a democratic world, ushering in a new world order and a new way of life for everyone one.


I believe there is only one way to avoid this America must go into isolation and soon, let the world be, just stay out of it.

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I do agree that America should mind its own business more, but I don't think WWIII is likely to happen any time soon. And if it does it won't be caused by anything predictable.
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My guess is that no-one would win.. Something that well prevens the WW3 from happening.. The WW3 would escalate to nuclear war very easily..

Overall, I would say the following claims..

About military powers..
* Russia is currently very weak player. The central power will face huge problems trying to mobilize people and economy behind its war effort..
* Japan is much stronger than it looks like and they have modern moderate size military. I'm extremely sceptic that China could conquer Japan without nuclear weapons or wide strategic bombings. China does not have strong enought navy to conquer the small extremely populated islands that form Japan..
* Israel has a strong military, and if facing defeat, it will use its nuclear weaponry.. It is questionable if the surrounding powers would want attack Israel, even if they had a change.. At the same time, Israel is barely able or willing to threat its Muslim neightbours..
* China is strong, but it is currently lacking the air and sea power to form lethal threat against anyone, except Russia.. All though, both China and Russia are increasing their military spending steadily and strongly..
* America is extremely strong.. The problems it is facing Iraq are law-enforcement problems, not real military problems.. The America's ability to wage war is only resricted by its willingess to wage total war in its all destructiveness.. This is something that didn't
* Europe can be strong, if it only wants to.. It has the economy, technology and man-power to form formidable military power in the scope of years.. It's greatest challenges are internal - the ability to centralize its decision making and mobilize its society..


Another great point would be that the strategic resources hold *extreme* importance.. Especially the energy reserves in the ME..
* Whoever controls the ME oil has enormous advantage, since it has a cheap source of oil, while it can cut out its enemies the access to the oil..
* If ME is restless enough and the great powers are not able or totalitarian enough to control the area, the ME oil might be cut off..
* If ME oil would be shut down, the situation will heavily favour the U.S, since it is most independent of the ME oil resources..
* The total shut down of the ME oil, could collapse Japan's, China's and Europe's war machines and economics.. Of these powers, Europe is perhaps most self-sufficient on oil, but not nearly enough.
* The situation would also favour Russia, but being internally weak the real benefits would be questionable
* Overall, the real impact on each country's economics and military power would depend of the trade arrangements inside the alliances
* The dependance of the energy resources would make South America, Middle East and South-East Asia focus points of the struggle.. This especially, because it is impossible for China & Russia to even dream about other strategic objectives before these are achieved..
* The navy can be esaily modernized to be independent of oil by replacing the energy source with nuclear or coal..
* The functionality of air and mechanized land forces would be compromized


About the actual warface:
* Air superiority would be decisive pretty much everywhere.. Especially in ME, the desert warfare would be dominated by the air force..
* There would be great lure to use nuclear weapons everywhere..
* If nuclear weapons would not be used, conventional strategic bombings would still occur, especially between Japan and China
* Navy's role would likely be emphasized in the East Asia..
* The ability for law-enforcement in foreign countries would be emphasized.. It is extremely difficult problem for any army to govern any hostile region, especially without totalitarian methods..
* If ME would riot and turn hostile against U.S, the invasion and occupation of ME could turn to massacre..
* It is possible, that the war would not end at all.. Especially, if no-one were able to control ME oil reserves.. The invasions of such powers as Europe, Russia, China and America may well require such efforts that even the *winners* would not be able to conquer them.. This especially, if there is continuous lack of oil to run the massive logistics.. Still is of course dependant of the political will..

About other things:
* A great piece of the Western industrial capacity is in China..
* The war would seriously harm the Western industrial production and therefore the war machines..
* China could mobilize the existing high-tech industrial capacity for warfare

About the nuclear war:
* Already the existance of nuclear weapons would have pacifying and restricting effect on the warfare.. The strategic bombings would be rare and the war would likely be fough in resource-rich periferia.. People would fear that direct attacks could trigger the nuclear war..
* Already use of tactical nuclear weapons could leash the hell over the earth.. or it could scare people out of fighting.. Any kind of centralization of the military would became rare because the fears of nuclear strike.. This would also greatly reduce the intensity of the warfare, because the centralization of forces is required to achieve any significant goal..
* After the first strategic strike, the allies on both side of the war would quickly leave the war before the expected MAD thus possibly reducing the scale of war..
* The full scale MAD would leave very big holes to the map.. The survival rate would depend of luck and the scale of the war.. Even if some of the nuclear powers would *win* (nicer word for surviving) the nuclear war, it would likely not achieve any of its strategic goals.. It's future effort would be directed at reorganizing its society and trying to survive the following enviromental catastrophy..


Hmm.. These are just wild guesses :-/

Anyway, the war would suck infernally for everyone were it nuclear war or not.. This is also the reason why I don't think it would ever happen..

On the other hand, man is not the most rational being.. WW1 was also something, that sucked infernally to everyone and was never supposed to happen.. Still, I'm most sceptic..

Anyway, the likely outcome would be, that the power A would conquer ME and maintain its superiority in the area.. South-Korea would disappear of the map and there would be some fighting between China, Japan and Taiwan.. Within a year, the power A would take absolute air superiority over the sea of Japan.. China would be cut of *all* its energy resources, except the ones supplied by the Russia.. Its economy and military machine would collapse.. After this situation, everyone would be too scared to do sh*t.. China and Russia would sign peace and it would be the end of the 'WW3'..

The only thing that could seriously threat this scenario is if whole ME would somehow magically fall into China's & Russia's hands..

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that's a laugh.......

1.if israel would cause war with iran,highly skeptical but possible,Russia will not be dragged into that war,so will'nt china.

2.syria doesen't have the strength to attack israel,it's economical power weak,and if will be at war with israel,about lees than a week war. palestine doesen't have a military power,if it had,israel would have finished it by now...why do you think they do bombings and fight using the protection of civilains,so that israelis will hessitate.
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Alliance A-

Alliance B
China (see its chance for world domination)
Russia
Iran
North Korea
Syria
Palestine
Most of Eastern Europe leaving out the Baltic state to the north.
Venezuela
Oh, my Lord! Where are we to get all our oil??? And what of Bush's hopes to start back up his oil company? All chances gone?? Americans, our fat and lazy selves, will have to ride bicycles everywhere??? KILL ME NOW!! GET IT OVER WITH! (just jk)
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Russia isn't going to risk it. According to the Democratic Peace Theory, democracies don't go to war with each other. Yet to be proved wrong. WWIII won't be for a while IMO. And it will likely be a nuclear showdown.
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Russia isn't going to risk it. According to the Democratic Peace Theory, democracies don't go to war with each other. Yet to be proved wrong. WWIII won't be for a while IMO. And it will likely be a nuclear showdown.
I have a theory. I have a theory that China will over-populate the rest of the world, thus destroying everyone else. Not proven wrong yet.

Do you see the point I am getting at? Yes, theorems are all good and fun, but when it comes to war, as the saying goes, "All's fair in love in war."

Nuclear showdown? I would have to agree with that. As for it not being in a while, I can imagine the campaign on the War on Terrorism can spark some worldy issues.
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America will destroy the world, in a fit of adolescent pique, when it can no longer get its own way in the world anymore and kill who it likes, where it likes, for its own reasons, without consequences....its closer than you think.

Of course, it wont mean it, but it is its fate to me armageddonly misunderstood, poor little bully, right to the end...
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Russia isn't going to risk it. According to the Democratic Peace Theory, democracies don't go to war with each other. Yet to be proved wrong. WWIII won't be for a while IMO. And it will likely be a nuclear showdown.
It was proved wrong once. When Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands it went to war with Britain. Both were democracies at the time.

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Alliance A-
America
Israel (WW3 will be almost completely there fault.)
India
Japan
Britain
France
Germany

Eventually
Brazil and most of S. America

VS

Alliance B
China (see its chance for world domination)
Russia
Iran
North Korea
Syria
Palestine
Most of Eastern Europe leaving out the Baltic state to the north.
Venezuela
World War III will never happen. Wars will happen, but never one on a global scale. Israel knows the world is against Iran. Israel would not unilaterally attack Iran as that would sacrafice international support. If there is ever an attack against Iran it would be the UN vs. Iran, basically meaning Iran is screwed along with any country that defies the UN.

The whole Middle-East practically declared war on Israel a few times, and the rest of the world wanted nothing to do with it. Everytime there was a nuclear showdown, nothing happened because no one wanted to commit genocide. The only thing China could ever care about is taking over Taiwan, and it doesen't even do that. Russia has tons of nukes, landmines and Migs, but they gave up war when they joined the Western World.

Not to mention an invasion of the US is nearly impossible. The US would have reserves of nuclear subs and FA-18 Hornets patrolling for landing craft. It would be possible to land in Canada or Mexico, but they would warn the US as well as slow down the invaders long enough for the US to fortify itself.

South America ever being in a war is a joke. Most of their countries are left-wing, they have neglected military spending forever. Even in the previous World Wars South America did virtually nothing.
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I do agree that America should mind its own business more, but I don't think WWIII is likely to happen any time soon. And if it does it won't be caused by anything predictable.
People that say we should mind our own business also tend to complain that we arent stopping genocide in Africa or the conflicts in Israel. As the world's superpower, most expect us to help out other countries.
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