This topic doesn't include a discussion of why you think it is a bad idea because it severes diplomatic ties. The UN doesn't control whether this or that diplomatic office is closed within a country. So please leave that argument to your own device. If you bring that up as an arguement, I will kindly ask you to leave the thread.

1) the entire world abhors the foreign politicies of the US. According to the world, we as a country are interventionists only when it meets our benefit.
2) UN provisions include subscription to act as the "world police".
3) The US, already being considered to be a "rogue nation" within world opinion for acting "unilaterally" by going into Iraq, could choose it's wars instead of relying on world opinion polls.

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And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Are you saying you don't want to anyone to post arguments against your stance? If so, that kind of defeats the purpose of a debate forum.

I disagree. I think we should stay in (at least until they kick us out). We have a pretty powerful position within the organization, and instead of complaining about how bad it is, we could be using that power to initiate improvement, eliminate corruption, and so on.

Besides, we don't listen to the UN anyway even know. As the Iraq war has shown us, we don't need to get out of the UN to act unilaterally.

The UN has the right idea even if it has been floundering of late. We ought to be thinking about improving it rather than abandoning it.

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Can we ever expect to be a member of an organization made up of world governments and not find a fair share of both friends and enemies? Of course not, it is the nature of the beast. When nations of the world sit down together, you will hear discord and disagreement.

Do you think all nations like other big countries, like Russia and China? Of course not.

So why do we bother having the UN at all? Because many times it does open doors to solve problems that could not otherwise be solved. Because it is a place for the all nations to express their views verbally - and many times war can be averted. But most of all, we should support the UN because it is the only hope we have of ever finding a path to a better tomorrow.

If the US got out of the UN, it would die just like the League of Nations. The UN is the only organization where we (meaning the whole world), can perhaps build on what we have so that disagreements someday are settled based on the rule of law not by who has the biggest military or the most bombs. This chance will not likely come along again for a long time. Let's not throw away the only organization we have were there is at least hope mankind can create a better future.

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what problems have they soved withhin the past 3 decades.

if that is the only hope you have for a better tomorrow, you live a bleak and dismal life my friend. how can you look at the organization with such regard
after its many scandals it has gone throu in the past 2 decades.

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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

If scandals are your criteria for measurement... then obviously the US isn't a very good hope for the world's future on its own either.

The UN definitely needs to be fixed or replaced if it's to do what it's supposed to... but not the way we think. We seem to act like it needs to be more of our puppet agency than it already is.
Look at it this way. We only do what the UN wants when we want to... and without us it doesn't have enough power to do anything. But when we want something, and the UN actually feels like helping, we get the world behind us.
We only benefit from the UN... and we want more?

Really the problem with the UN is that it is a system of equal countries where some are more equal than others. And we're the among the most equal countries

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I say dump 'em.

1) In the past ten years, they've shown their true colors by overly criticizing the United States.

2) The United Nations continues to cozy up to nations that have supported terrorism.

3) The United States is extorted to the tune of three billion (that's with a B) in contributions to the U.N. annually. That's 22% of the United Nations' total annual budget. We could do a lot, domestically, with an extra $3B.

4) The U.N. only acts in its interests. They allow genocide, torture and other atrocities, if the result should benefit them. This makes them quite hypocritical in my book.


There is very little benefit from staying in this corrupt little club. It's obvious that we are disliked by our U.N. bretheren, so screw 'em. We should take our $3B and go home. If they need us, they can call us, and we'll charge a basic "consultant" fee for our services.

Oh...and get off our lawn too. Move your HQ to Iran if you're so infatuated with buddying up with those little terrorists! Pretty soon they'll have nukes to protect you too!

(Notice I didn't mention Commucrats, Demopublicans or George Bush...let the shower of "Bush Sucks" posts begin, even though he plays a small role in an otherwise larger picture)

Agreed.

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[quote]How many times have there been these 130 to 1 votes, with the US being the "1"? How about when that illiterate chavez dirtbag compared Bush to the devil, and the whole UN laughed? YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SURRRRRRRRRRRRRE it's our puppet.

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