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A doomed mission

Failure in Afghanistan has revived the Taliban and now, after six years of occupation, there is no way Nato can win this war.
Tariq Ali

February 28, 2007 3:15 PM

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It is year six of the UN-backed Nato occupation of Afghanistan, a joint
US/EU mission. On February 27 there was what some claim to be an attempted assassination of Dick Cheney by Taliban suicide bombers while he was visiting the "secure" US air base at Bagram (once an equally secure Soviet air base during an earlier conflict). Two US soldiers and a mercenary ("contractor") died in the attack, as did 20 other people working at the base. This episode alone should have concentrated the US vice-president's mind on the scale of the Afghan debacle. In 2006 the casualty rates rose substantially and Nato troops lost 46 soldiers in clashes with the Islamic resistance or in shot-down helicopters.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...r_impasse.html

Do more, Blair tells Nato allies


Matthew Tempest, political correspondent
Wednesday March 7, 2007
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Tony Blair today complained that the UK's Nato allies were not doing enough for the war effort in Afghanistan.

The prime minister was questioned at length on British troop commitments - and the reluctance of some other Nato states to contribute - at this week's question time.

After paying tribute to their existing work, Mr Blair finally conceded that fellow Nato members should contribute more, and drop "caveats" on their troops being involved
http://www.guardian.co.uk/nato/story/0,,2028511,00.html

NATO is failing in Afghanistan, there are NATO countries that don't want to support US foreign policy. The cold war has finished. Is it time for the US to go it alone?
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NATO SHOULD be disbanded, and it's more like EURO's going it alone. The U.S. should leave NATO because probably the majority of americans are tired of US soldiers dying in euro wars, and the reason for NATO, to defend EUROPE from the soviets is long gone. As for afghanstan, it reveals the lopsided nature of NATO. Euros are only interested in defending europe, and wouldn't think of defending any oppressed country, much less the US. When you needed us, we were always there, and we needed you, you showed up with token forces - if that. Enough.
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NATO SHOULD be disbanded, and it's more like EURO's going it alone. The U.S. should leave NATO because probably the majority of americans are tired of US soldiers dying in euro wars, and the reason for NATO, to defend EUROPE from the soviets is long gone. As for afghanstan, it reveals the lopsided nature of NATO. Euros are only interested in defending europe, and wouldn't think of defending any oppressed country, much less the US. When you needed us, we were always there, and we needed you, you showed up with token forces - if that. Enough.

Soviet threat long gone? Perhaps, but the russians are still there, and if strong enough they would try to in vade or launch missiles...
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As you can see, America is slowly opting out of everything European.
because it's not working, Europe is not doing one ounce of what they
should be doing. soon America will be free from this euro crapola.

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NATO need not be disbanded....the USA needs to drop out of it.

The removal of our contributions will be more than enough to make this useless organization collapse.
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Good to see that us Americans only care about ourselves. It is just embarassing to me, that this country is so arrogant. "We should get out of it because they don't put us before them." "We should drop out because they won't support our poorly thought out wars." "oh Europeans suck." Seriously and everybody wonders why everybody hates us. This is why.
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Good to see that us Americans only care about ourselves. It is just embarassing to me, that this country is so arrogant. "We should get out of it because they don't put us before them." "We should drop out because they won't support our poorly thought out wars." "oh Europeans suck." Seriously and everybody wonders why everybody hates us. This is why.
I thought you isolationist-loving types would love backing out of NATO. Sounds that way, every time y'all whine about the war, and how we shouldn't even be there, and how there's no benefit for us being there. Blah, blah, blah.

(now, if you respond, you have to promise not to include the words "Bush" or "Republicans.")
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Good to see that us Americans only care about ourselves. It is just embarassing to me, that this country is so arrogant. "We should get out of it because they don't put us before them." "We should drop out because they won't support our poorly thought out wars." "oh Europeans suck." Seriously and everybody wonders why everybody hates us. This is why.
I thought you isolationist-loving types would love backing out of NATO. Sounds that way, every time y'all whine about the war, and how we shouldn't even be there, and how there's no benefit for us being there. Blah, blah, blah.

(now, if you respond, you have to promise not to include the words "Bush" or "Republicans.")
Exactly. Aren't the libs always saying we shouldn't stick our noses in other peoples' business?? Haaaaaaaa HAAAAAAAAAA
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Of course, one big reason we're in NATO is self-interest. As long as we're a dominant player in European military policy, the likelihood of another world war breaking out in Europe is small. If we just leave and Europe militarizes, we could end up facing a Hitler on steroids that could spark a truly global war -- especially if the militarization is accompanied by an awakening of pan-European nationalism.

A mostly neutered Europe is good for American dominance.
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Of course, one big reason we're in NATO is self-interest. As long as we're a dominant player in European military policy, the likelihood of another world war breaking out in Europe is small. If we just leave and Europe militarizes, we could end up facing a Hitler on steroids that could spark a truly global war -- especially if the militarization is accompanied by an awakening of pan-European nationalism.

A mostly neutered Europe is good for American dominance.
Ooo wait. Isn't another appeaser complaint that america just fights for it's own self interest? No more euro wars for us - they're not going to "awake" - they're a slowly dying civilization.
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