Thread: Immigration being used to pave the way for one-world government

Let's not bring in the demand for a whole word study and keep to the point for now.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

Embracing ethnic diversity,

If you have ethnic diversity and do not work to accept that and give those people a sense of belonging and an equal opportunity for social mobility then you are creating the very system which will indeed refert to the sort of situation you implied in your first paragraph.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

encouraging migration,

That is clearly a different question. Encouraging migration is indeed encouraging it. It is a choice. I remember speaking to one woman who came from Africa a few decades ago. She said people came from the UK and told her the UK was very short of nurses and really needed and wanted her. She was shocked when she arrived here and found although there was a job for her she was very unwanted and suffered abuse.

Since then our laws and attitude have changed a great deal.

Governments choose immigration and governments have a responsibility to those they encourage immigrate.....and these people are not cattle. They cannot be immigrated in times when labour is needed and then thrown out when the economic decline suits it.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

and ignoring overpopulation all have the potential to result in horrible violence and death in the future.

This is fantasy created I suspect to create fear and hate.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

In some ways this may simply be inevitable. In other words, trying to suppress ethnic tensions now could lead to much greater problems in the future.

No. The problem is simply that some people are working to create ethnic tensions. EDL BNP for instance in this country. I guess I do wonder if for instance Sweden and Norway have suddenly introduced too many immigrants without allowing them to integrate. If that has been done then it does make sense to reduce it for the time being but at the same time strong work needs to be done to make those who have arrived feel settled and people such as yourself are trying to make that much more difficult and create the very situation you claim will happen anyway. You are a White Nationalist. You do not want anyone except white people living in Sweden. Clearly it is in your interests to create as much disharmony as you can.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

Is Brevik so competely different from the Norwegian Resistance movement during the second world war that killed 10 innocent Norwegians on Lake Tinnsjø, just to destroy some heavy water? The saboteurs planted a bomb to sink the steamship SF Hydro, knowing there would be civilian casualties. 8 german soldiers guarding the heavy water were also killed. Yet the saboteurs were not regarded as terrorists by the Norwegian people. Rather, it was almost as if they were reluctantly seen as heroes. It was only much later that it was realised that the barrels of heavy water were actually very dilute, so the ammount of heavy water onboard was not very significant, only about 5-10% of the quantity that would be needed for a nuclear reactor. The Norwegian Resistance was willing to kill innocent people to try to prevent massive death tolls in the future. The heavy water was only one small component of what would have been needed by the germans to help develop a nuclear bomb.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

I am not advocating killing innocent people,

You just have justified the killing of defenceless people including children simply for your political view.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

but the Norwegian people should have the right to live in their own nation without ethnic diversity.

and it would appear the Norwegian people have not made this choice. The Norwegian people have the right to make their choices concerning immigration and to take the consequences of this. Norway is a democracy and that is the way it should work not as you suggest encouraging massacres because of xenophobia.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

I am not defending some of the mistreatment during the second world war, but things should be put in perspective.
A one-sided view of history is being used for political purposes and social objectives.

However you look at WW2, it illustrated that people who were considered educated, liberal and civilised could become barbaric and inhumane in a systematic way. Now we have already spoken about how Eugenics and human zoos and so on had already been operating. Psychoanalysis was quite new. We had learnt that people were often very unconscious of their true motives - for instance might become White Nationalist because they felt inferior and so it gave them a feeling of superiority or watched porn movies in order to protest about them when the reason reason was the love of porn. We are not always very conscious about our real motives or honest with ourselves.

Why is it so surprising to you that people who managed to get an education would wish to use that education for the betterment of humanity and to reduce our inhumanity to each other?

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

The real reason is not so much about preventing a Holocaust from happening again, but about setting the foundations for political change and a complete restructuring of the economic framework.

You give the Frankfurt school far to much power. Has Marcuse for instance the slightest influence in the USA. Have you not noticed that long ago such ideas were supplanted by those of Leo Strauss where the population is fed noble lies, believes its country is the best in the world, encouraged to be Christian and is engaged in perpetual war believing it's country is always the 'good guy'?

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

Perhaps when progressives stop mentioning "the Holocaust" every time there is a debate on immigration (or whenever an issue that has racial implications comes up), I will stop arguing over what actually happened in the past. In the meantime, I want to prevent an "India" or "Mexico" from ever happening again!

Perhaps White Nationalists being broken records and unable to stop coming up with their themes would make a difference. You brought in a video to back up your view of 'cultural Marxism'. Having studied a little the Frankfurt school I noticed the video was not based on reality and was a total misrepresentation of reality designed to fool people who know nothing about it. I replied

I did watch some of it. It is simply a propaganda film trying to present a conspiracy theory for 'Political Correctness'. The thinkers in the Frankfurt school thought independently. Hence it is possible to criticise some a lot and agree with others a lot. Eric Fromm never developed a political theory but you would think from your link that was his interest. Instead he was one of the 20th C's best psychoanalysts.

In addition the creation of the link between psychoanalysis and political philosophy which developed in the Frankfurt School was a desire to develop an understanding of how the situation which arose in Nazi Germany could ever have been psychologically possible and to develop ways to stop such a thing happening again.

Immigration being used to pave the way for one-world government

You then claimed Nazi's were 'not that bad'. So as you can see it is yourself who is bringing such things in both in your material and then your need to to suggest the Nazi's were 'not that bad'.

Like it or not there is a link between wanting to misrepresent and destroy systems which investigated the psychology behind the systematic hatred, deportation, assault and murder of people in WW2 and anti-islam extremism which white nationalists are holding onto the coat tails of just now.

Originally Posted by alexa

You then claimed Nazi's were 'not that bad'. So as you can see it is yourself who is bringing such things in both in your material and then your need to to suggest the Nazi's were 'not that bad'.

You were the first to mention the nazis. Apologies if I mistakenly assumed you were implying the concept of a holocaust.

Originally Posted by alexa

the creation of the link between psychoanalysis and political philosophy which developed in the Frankfurt School was a desire to develop an understanding of how the situation which arose in Nazi Germany could ever have been psychologically possible and to develop ways to stop such a thing happening again.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

You were the first to mention the nazis. Apologies if I mistakenly assumed you were implying the concept of a holocaust.

What is your point particularly after all this time?

Originally Posted by alexa

If you have ethnic diversity and do not work to accept that and give those people a sense of belonging and an equal opportunity for social mobility then you are creating the very system which will indeed refert to the sort of situation you implied in your first paragraph.

No I do not accept it. But let us suppose hypothetically for a moment that I did not have a problem with it directly. Those people are never going to have the same type of sense of belonging to their host nation, no matter how much we embrace them. I submit that the leaders who are supporting all this diversity know this and are counting on it. Furthermore, equal social mobility will never be enough for these people, as has already been clearly been demonstrated by progressive governments. They are intent on equality, and are willing to take away any freedoms and sacrifice fairness to do it.

I would further accuse those who are promoting diversity of actively supporting racism, or at the very least intentionally exploiting it, all the while hypocritically accusing the other side.
"white nationalism, explicit or implicit, is simply inevitable, as America balkanizes because of government immigration policy. I think it is a legitimate response to the immigration-driven ethnic shift and the rise of ethno-centric politics on the part of the minorities." — Peter Brimelow

Originally Posted by alexa

you suggest encouraging massacres because of xenophobia.

If we ever have a one-world government, I fear it will set the stage in the future for something far worse than the Holocaust.
We have seen throughout history what the inevitable result is of centralising too much power.

The British Empire was the one-world government, which was the largest empire in history and it held sway over one-fifth of the world's population based on the seemly unlimited supply of English immigrants who ventured to all parts of the global empire and since the fall of the Soviet Union, Communists' hopes of materialising one-world government based on their ideology have been dashed and the rise of nationalism from Europe to Asia has made the world more divisive than ever and increasingly nationalistic nations around the world are no longer keen on being ruled by a single group of people and to deal with the nationalistic trend within the EU, Brussels may have repatriate some powers to the member states to avoid a complete breakdown of the economic union.