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US relations will improve when the communist thugs give up power. Oh, I forgot - Or when the libbies take power in the USA - whichever comes first.
I seem to remember hearing, once, about Jack Nicholson paying Castro a personal visit, and coming back to pronounce him a "Great leader and fine humanitarian". As long as we have kooks like that lurking in our society, we have to be real careful about who we choose to run this country.
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Think of it - the revolution is 49 years old. Young people of age 20 then are old now. I wonder how they feel about having wasted their whole lives in a poverty-stricken dictatorship? It's very sad.
He is no longer able to stand at the podium making 8-hour speeches trying to justify El Revolucion while thousands of people are forced to stand there in the sun for media purposes.
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will that change anything ... regarding USA relations with cuba?
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The US isolation of cuba is not really a practical policy.
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It has had little to no effect on the regime,
The alternative was worse. Legitimizing Castro would only have made him (and his regime) stronger.


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Appearently he has retired so he can dedicate more time to supporting the Obama Presidental campaign.

Much like the royals supporting Hitler - that was a blast.
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Much like the royals supporting Hitler - that was a blast.
It is true that the uncrowned Edward Duke of Windsor and his American wife Wallace-Simpson were supporters of Hitler.

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It is widely believed that the Duke (and especially the Duchess) sympathised with fascism before and during World War II
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This will change nothing.

The US isolation of cuba is not really a practical policy. It has had little to no effect on the regime, and it has probably cost the people of that country a whole lot more.

The current policy exists for mainly symbolic reasons, of the US not wanting to feel like it conceded to a Soviet hold-out, and it will probably stay that way until communism is abolished in favour of liberal democracy. But in reality, the USA trades with dictators from east to west, no one would really care if Cuba was added to the list. It might even speed up democratization, it certainly wouldn't hurt.
Cuba remains one of the worst communist dictatorships left in the world - only North Korea is worse. While the US has sought to isolate this regime, Canadians smoke their cigars and lay on their beaches sunning themselves, while cuban democrats languish in castro's prisons.
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The truly sad part is despite all evidence to the contrary you actually believe that.
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The truly sad part is despite all evidence to the contrary you actually believe that.
You mean evidence like our embargo against Cuba? Explain to me what practical value the embargo serves us.
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