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Sounds good to me. Reducing global poverty is the single best long-term method to secure the nation.
Of course, the devil is in the details. I don't think the amount is as much of a problem as the "how". I'm not so sure the way foreign aid is carried out works all that well.
But that's a different story.

The Millenium Development goals are one of the few things the UN has done a good job with in recent times... If they actually figure out how to implement them, then I'd be more impressed.
While this bill certainly wouldn't be the implementation, it could certainly help (and might make us a little more interested in figuring it out).
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Sounds good to me. Reducing global poverty is the single best long-term method to secure the nation.
Of course, the devil is in the details. I don't think the amount is as much of a problem as the "how". I'm not so sure the way foreign aid is carried out works all that well.
But that's a different story.

The Millenium Development goals are one of the few things the UN has done a good job with in recent times... If they actually figure out how to implement them, then I'd be more impressed.
While this bill certainly wouldn't be the implementation, it could certainly help (and might make us a little more interested in figuring it out).

America gives enough foreign aid, we don't need another freakin' law to promise more, as far as I'm concerned we should cut off all foreign aid, let the flintstones fend for themselves
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America gives enough foreign aid, we don't need another freakin' law to promise more, as far as I'm concerned we should cut off all foreign aid, let the flintstones fend for themselves
With that attitude I hope you are comfortable with either giving up all American interests on other people's soil... or ruling the world with an merciless iron fist.

The former seems pretty close to impossible at this point... the latter kind of a double standard on the notion of human rights...
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With that attitude I hope you are comfortable with either giving up all American interests on other people's soil... or ruling the world with an merciless iron fist.

The former seems pretty close to impossible at this point... the latter kind of a double standard on the notion of human rights...
What has giving all the foreign aid done for America? As far as I can see it make the likes of Yasser Arafat rich while the people who are supposed to be getting help continue to live in poverty. It hasn't helped anyone other the dictator of the month.

Throwing money at the problem is not the answer and never has been. Industry, jobs that what will get rid of global poverty. But no company is going to risk investing an area that is an war zone. They have to help themselves first.
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Where does the foreign aid money go?

(Some wiseacre's gonna say, "Other countries!")

Specifically, though, does anybody know of a good breakdown on what foreign aid money is actually used for?
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Where does the foreign aid money go?

(Some wiseacre's gonna say, "Other countries!")

Specifically, though, does anybody know of a good breakdown on what foreign aid money is actually used for?
I can find who gets how much, but not what it is actually used for
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What has giving all the foreign aid done for America? As far as I can see it make the likes of Yasser Arafat rich while the people who are supposed to be getting help continue to live in poverty. It hasn't helped anyone other the dictator of the month. .
I agree that foreign aid is often used wrongly. I'd rather go through NGOs than corrupt governments... but cutting off aid altogether certainly doesn't solve the problem.

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Throwing money at the problem is not the answer and never has been. Industry, jobs that what will get rid of global poverty. But no company is going to risk investing an area that is an war zone. They have to help themselves first.
And how exactly do you expect a bunch of uneducated, poverty-stricken people to "help themselves" against a government that outguns them. Often their only choice is to fall behind another elite that wants power for himself.
And even if they do overthrow... what then? How do you expect an uneducated, poverty-stricken population to manage a government built from scratch... It's usually cyclical.

They can't help themselves without first getting a boost.
I agree on much of our aid being just "money thrown at the problem." But that means it's time to try something else, not time to give up.
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I agree that foreign aid is often used wrongly. I'd rather go through NGOs than corrupt governments... but cutting off aid altogether certainly doesn't solve the problem.


And how exactly do you expect a bunch of uneducated, poverty-stricken people to "help themselves" against a government that outguns them. Often their only choice is to fall behind another elite that wants power for himself.
And even if they do overthrow... what then? How do you expect an uneducated, poverty-stricken population to manage a government built from scratch... It's usually cyclical.

They can't help themselves without first getting a boost.
I agree on much of our aid being just "money thrown at the problem." But that means it's time to try something else, not time to give up.

How long has America been giving foreign aid? 50 -60 years, I would say that have had their boost. What are we supposed to do just keep proping up the dictators, which in turn makes the population of said country hate the US. Go in and get rid of said dictator and try to help them set up a goverment in which case the population of that said country hates the US as well as most of the rest of the world. Do we go in an try to enforce that the correct thing is done with the foreign aid money, in which case a small segment of the population which was the most oppressed is grateful, but the rest of said country hates the US more because the US trying to tell them what to do and stopping them from killing off the oposition. Lets face it, if it more important to these people to kill off the rival clan than it is to join the 20th century, have food, shelter, employment all the good stuff. Why should we finance it with foreign aid dollars?
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Hotels, shops, condos planned for Green Zone


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plan to build a Disneyland-style theme park next to the Green Zone?? (huh?)

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