Thread: El Paso, TX (More guns than people) is safer than NYC, DC, or Chicago.

El Paso, TX, has a population of about 736,000, and is directly across the border from Cuidad Juarez which had 2,500 murders in 2007. Juarez has Mexico's almost total gun ban. El Paso has the famous Texas lax gun laws such that estimates of the number of guns in the city exceeds the number of people. So since some believe that "More Guns = More Crime" then El Paso should be a bloodbath.

Surprise! In 2008 there were 23 murders, in 2009 there were about a dozen, and in the first six months of 2010 there was only one (1) murder. ONLY ONE !!!

Despite the near total gun bans of NYC, DC, and Chicago, they can't compare to that.

So why haven't all those guns with all of the thousands of Texans in El Paso who are carrying guns on them, been shooting lots and lots of folks. Why haven't those guns been doing criminal stuff?

http://www.kvia.com/news/24341663/detail.html

http://reason.com/archives/2009/07/0...l-paso-miracle

I will grant that other causes have helped supress the crime/murder rate. But more guns definately hasn't raised the crime/murder rate.

Imagine if Chicago had El Paso's murder rate. 736K people and only one murder in six months. I just googled it and Chicago, population 2,748,889 is having an increase in their murder rate for 2010. As of April 27, 2010 Chicago had 113 murders. For the same period in 2009 they had 101.

Why isn't Daley's gun ban making Chicago safer?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/04...re-gun-control

Originally Posted by Silverhair

El Paso, TX, has a population of about 736,000, and is directly across the border from Cuidad Juarez which had 2,500 murders in 2007. Juarez has Mexico's almost total gun ban. El Paso has the famous Texas lax gun laws such that estimates of the number of guns in the city exceeds the number of people. So since some believe that "More Guns = More Crime" then El Paso should be a bloodbath.

Surprise! In 2008 there were 23 murders, in 2009 there were about a dozen, and in the first six months of 2010 there was only one (1) murder. ONLY ONE !!!

Despite the near total gun bans of NYC, DC, and Chicago, they can't compare to that.

So why haven't all those guns with all of the thousands of Texans in El Paso who are carrying guns on them, been shooting lots and lots of folks. Why haven't those guns been doing criminal stuff?

http://www.kvia.com/news/24341663/detail.html

http://reason.com/archives/2009/07/0...l-paso-miracle

I will grant that other causes have helped supress the crime/murder rate. But more guns definately hasn't raised the crime/murder rate.

Imagine if Chicago had El Paso's murder rate. 736K people and only one murder in six months. I just googled it and Chicago, population 2,748,889 is having an increase in their murder rate for 2010. As of April 27, 2010 Chicago had 113 murders. For the same period in 2009 they had 101.

Why isn't Daley's gun ban making Chicago safer?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/04...re-gun-control

How do you know Texans from El Paso have not been doing just that, but in other states?

Originally Posted by Beevee

How do you know Texans from El Paso have not been doing just that, but in other states?

You are being silly.

Originally Posted by Silverhair

You are being silly.

Then I'm in fine company.

Originally Posted by Beevee

Then I'm in fine company.

Yes, there are several anti-gun regulars who consistantly make silly statements.

Obviously you don't like having the fact pointed out that El Paso had only one murder in the first half of the year, while Chicago had 113 as of April. Adjusted for population size that would be about 33 murders for Chicago.

Originally Posted by Silverhair

Yes, there are several anti-gun regulars who consistantly make silly statements.

Obviously you don't like having the fact pointed out that El Paso had only one murder in the first half of the year, while Chicago had 113 as of April. Adjusted for population size that would be about 33 murders for Chicago.

What I suggested was that El Paso criminals were working elsewhere. Can you dispute that?

Originally Posted by Beevee

What I suggested was that El Paso criminals were working elsewhere. Can you dispute that?

Your suggestion is silly on the face of it. You do not desire a serious discussion.

Originally Posted by Silverhair

Your suggestion is silly on the face of it. You do not desire a serious discussion.

My suggestion is either silly or it isn't. Why qualify it with 'on the face of it'?
It seems to me that you only want a serious discussion if people agree with you.

Originally Posted by Beevee

My suggestion is either silly or it isn't. Why qualify it with 'on the face of it'?
It seems to me that you only want a serious discussion if people agree with you.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Perhaps the criminals from El Paso are going up to Chicago just to kill people. Give me a break. This is the most far flung argument I have ever heard. It takes a giant leap to accept and you'll land on the side of conspiracy if you take it.

I now have one more reason to have my wife request Fort Bliss when she gets out of Korea. First I heard that it was a beautiful city, then I heard the people were nice, I already knew that I liked Tex-Mex cuisine, now I can be assured my family will be safe.