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    Quote Originally Posted by Danct View Post
    "so far" Being the key phrase here. The hearings aren't even completed yet and you have him guilty and unemployed. Your position IS authoritarian even though you are trying to spin it otherwise. The beauty of this Country is that we ALL have rights,..... even Eric Holder. You seem to have forgotten this.
    He is guilty in my mind and many others, however, he has the right to due process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onalandline View Post
    He is guilty in my mind and many others, however, he has the right to due process.


    Atta-boy! There's hope for you yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLY View Post
    Forgive me if this has been covered, but I couldn't find it anywhere. The Obama administration, through Hillary, has been pushing the U.N. to finish a bill, ( U.N. Small Arms Treaty ), on banning semi-auto weapons and making mandatory registration of all other guns. This bill is being moved along so as to be up for signing by 2012, before any new elections can interfere. It is my understanding that after the U.S. signs the bill it has to be ratified by 2/3s of the Senate and it will be the law of the land. OPINIONS? / OTHER INFO?



    What is the name of this so-called treaty, and what specifically does it say? Until this is covered here you're only peeing in the wind with suppositions and fearful hyperbole.

    Facts ARE important.
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    Good lord. This small arms treaty nonsense has been floating around for far too long. The Arms Trade Treaty the myth is based upon is a concept from the UN and has no relationship to any bills in that I am aware of that exist in any stage in Congress.

    I would love to see exactly what bill is being suggested as the instrument for getting this treaty passed.

    People, please realize that there is still such a thing as the Constitution. The right to keep and bear arms is still a fundamental right under Constitutional Law. Read Reid v. Covert. The Supreme Court established that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the U.S. Senate.
    Last edited by Foghlai; Jan 17 2012 at 06:32 PM.

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    I do not believe that the UN Small Arms Treaty has been published yet. They are still working out the details. The Obama Administration supports it, but fortunately, it would take an act of Congress to make it binding to the U.S. This is extremely unlikely.

    Yes, we are protected by our Constitution. I am not really worried that this Treaty would ever impact us. I just don't get why the Obama Administration would support a UN Treaty that they know would not receive support. I suppose they want to appease the UN for some reason.

    Zimbabwe remains the only opposition vote to the Treaty.
    "Progressives are the architects of American decline, and progressivism is the ideology of American suicide." - Dinesh D'Souza

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    Quote Originally Posted by onalandline View Post

    Yes, we are protected by our Constitution. I am not really worried that this Treaty would ever impact us. I just don't get why the Obama Administration would support a UN Treaty that they know would not receive support. I suppose they want to appease the UN for some reason.

    Zimbabwe remains the only opposition vote to the Treaty.



    Flawed logic, friend. You are assuming the UN has a power it does not actually possess. Are we to believe that every country except Zimbabwe is trying to appease the UN? Really?

    Look, you could really help yourself as to this issue with factual knowledge.
    Guns don't kill people, Bullets kill people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danct View Post
    Flawed logic, friend. You are assuming the UN has a power it does not actually possess. Are we to believe that every country except Zimbabwe is trying to appease the UN? Really?

    Look, you could really help yourself as to this issue with factual knowledge.
    This is nothing new. I have already mentioned in my previous post about Congress having to authorize it.
    "Progressives are the architects of American decline, and progressivism is the ideology of American suicide." - Dinesh D'Souza

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    Quote Originally Posted by onalandline View Post
    This is nothing new. I have already mentioned in my previous post about Congress having to authorize it.
    Yes, a 2/3 vote by the Senate would be needed for the U.S. to ratify it.
    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
    --C. S. Lewis, God in the Dock, p. 292.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onalandline View Post
    This is nothing new.


    Then you didn't real all of it. It goes into the reasons behind the future Treaty, and interestingly, none of them were because Obama wishes to appease the UN.

    Educate yourself, friend before you form your opinions.
    Guns don't kill people, Bullets kill people.

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