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Old 07-23-2008, 11:50 PM
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Go and look at how the checks and balances system originally worked, and then look at how it has changed.

The whole system has been getting weaker and weaker for the last 200 years.

The system is getting weaker. My IMO it is because overall Americans are less interested in the system. They are happy to sit and watch Tv and do their own thing.
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The system is getting weaker. My IMO it is because overall Americans are less interested in the system. They are happy to sit and watch Tv and do their own thing.
I guess that point probably has some serious validity to it. When the people dont care the government gets away with more.
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I guess that point probably has some serious validity to it. When the people dont care the government gets away with more.
I care. But as part of the youthful generation I'd have to agree, I see more people cave in to MEDIA coverage on the issues rather than actually developing an opinion for themselves.
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Not going to read your POS but if you like come on over and "take" my guns. I'll even leave the front door unlocked...
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Not going to read your POS but if you like come on over and "take" my guns. I'll even leave the front door unlocked...
You don't happen to live in one of those states with a "make my day" law, do you?

To be honest, I didn't read his POS either, nor do I care to. I have the feeling that our responses would be very similar if he tried to take my guns. And FWIW, I DO live in a state with a "make my day" law on the books.
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And from this you draw that its weak enough for all three branches of the entire federal government to rise up and conspiratorily abuse us. Forgive me if I'm not to quick to jump on that bandwagon.
It's not the actual system of checks and balances that's the problem; the actual system works just fine because of the reason that you mention. The real problem is that the system of checks and balances is losing its balance. In the original checks and balances system, the executive was the weakest of all three branches. Today, it is by far the strongest. Because of the abuses to the system that have happened since the Constitution was ratified, I see no reason to believe that the system of checks and balances will continue to be pushed aside by the government until the protection that it gives is no longer available. Having an armed populace is a kind of safety net and preventative factor. For one, the people would be able to directly resist government abuse. The second, the government would be less likely to become abusive if it knew what it would have to face.
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I choose not to fear you. I'm related to many gun toters like yourself and i dont choose to be afraid. The reason is

Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
Only if suicides are counted. According to the CDC's wisquars database, 12,682 people died in 2006 of homicide and legal intervention (i.e. violence) by guns. That's 34 per day.

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The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
Yes, but that's a low number. .67 kids per 100,000 were killed by guns in the U.S. in 2006 (Wisquars database). That's 404 total. Sure it's higher, but it's not that significant.


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American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

That just one reason.
Please give sources for the individual countries listed. It's a very vague statement to make.
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You don't happen to live in one of those states with a "make my day" law, do you?

To be honest, I didn't read his POS either, nor do I care to. I have the feeling that our responses would be very similar if he tried to take my guns. And FWIW, I DO live in a state with a "make my day" law on the books.
No "make my day law" but Clint Eastwood lives a couple miles from here. I'll use that "2nd Amendment" law the rest are BS.
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The purpose of having guns has nothing to do with hunting.

There are two main purposes to gun rights. The first is obviously self-defense. Guns make defense equal, meaning that even a small woman would be able to defend herself from someone much larger and stronger than her if she had a gun.

The second that people often ignore, is the fact that an armed populace is harder for the government to abuse. The importance of that is hard to understate. When we lose our right to arms, we will lose our only protection from widespread abuse by the government.
Exactly right. Not to mention it is impossible to remove all the guns from the street. You can take them away from the honest law abiding citizens but the criminals will get them anyway. All this would accomplish is to leave the honest citizen defenseless.
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