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Old 06-11-2007, 06:26 PM
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I don't deny the second amendment, but I think we'd all be a lot better off without guns. Yes even if a few bad guys still have them. Here's why:

Enough! Is what He said. Have we no trust in His might?
Did we really think bearing arms was a God given right?
Turn the other cheek for vengeance is God’s right.
Only then can we celebrate a truly special Saturday Night.

It may be lawful, and it may indeed be just,
But we can live in confidence, when in God we truly trust.
Only the weak and fearful, or those with thieving hearts of lust.
The power to kill your brother – Is this such a must?

No! For God gives us a spirit confident and strong
Which proceeds not from a metal barrel short or long
But from the God Eternal to whom we all belong.
So let us not continue to idolize that which is wrong.

If it can keep a Colt or Beretta out of a killers hands.
Why not limit access to these deadly brands.
Let us despise the gun all across our lands.
Waiting? Tracking? Forsake them altogether as Jesus Christ commands!

No one is an island, separate and insolated from the main
So send not to know who was the victim, Let me explain:
When a killer shoots our neighbor we all feel the pain
Listen to all the gunshots - they toll for thee again.

Hand guns are made for killing, they aren’t good for anything else
And if you like your whiskey you might even shoot yourself.
So why don’t we dump them all in the sea – off the continental shelf
Before some fool comes and finds us, and shoots both of us and himself.*

*Last Verse Modified from Ronnie VanZant’s and Ed King’s ‘Saturday Night Special
“Its a saturday night special - Got a barrel that’s blue and cold
Ain’t no good for nothin’ - But put a man six feet in a hole”
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Old 06-13-2007, 02:28 AM
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I don't deny the second amendment, but I think we'd all be a lot better off without guns. Yes even if a few bad guys still have them. Here's why:
You don't "deny" the 2nd Amendment it but you wish to dismiss the moral principles behind it?

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Forsake them altogether as Jesus Christ commands!
Jesus does nothing of the sort!
  • And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing." Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: "And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough." -- Luke 22:35-38

There is a distinction between defending your life from criminal attack and submitting to persecution for your faith. Christ wanted His disciples to be empowered to defend themselves but also to understand, that in His case, His death was fulfilling prophecy.

Only a few hours later, Christ rebukes Peter who used his sword to cut off the ear of Malchus, a servant of the high priest in the company of a detachment of troops. Let us read what Christ said to Peter in Matthew 26:52-54:
  • “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”

While Christ told Peter to "put your sword in its place" He clearly did not say dispose of it forever. That would have contradicted what He had told the disciples only hours before. He again states that his persecution and death are above the mortal plane and Peter’s normal response when threatened (drawing his weapon) was unnecessary to defend Christ. The rebuke of taking the sword refers to Peter’s offensive, not defensive use of the weapon against a servant, not a soldier and his exposure to the wrath of the magistrate's sword of justice. Peter's sword was to protect his own mortal life from danger. His sword was not needed to protect the Creator of the universe and the King of kings.

Even more instructive of the mindset is the description of this incident in the book of Luke:
  • When those around Him saw what was going to happen, they said to Him, "Lord, shall we strike with the sword?" And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus answered and said, "Permit even this." And He touched his ear and healed him. -- Luke 22:47-51

Jesus said, "Permit even this." He had to tell the Apostles to restrain what was their normal impulse of defense, "striking with the sword."

Years after Pentecost, Paul wrote in a letter to Timothy,
  • "But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever" -- 1 Tim. 5:8

This passage applies to our subject because it would be absurd to buy a house, furnish it with food and facilities for one's family, and then refuse to protect himself, his family and the property as allowed in Exodus 22:2-3.
  • If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed. He should make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

A related, and even broader concept is found in the parable of the Good Samaritan. It was the Good Samaritan who took care of the mugging victim after others walked by and ignored the victim's plight. They were not acting as neighbors to him.

We all know the parable and its lesson. But, what if the Samaritan walked by earlier? Can anyone say it would be neighborly, that if he came upon the attack in progress, the “Samaritan” then meekly hid and waited for the assault to end and the mugger left, before he rendered assistance?

The Bible speaks of no such right. It does speak of faltering before the wicked though. And it speaks of our responsibilities in the face of an attack -- as individuals made by God, as householders or as neighbors, protecting our own and our neighbor’s sacred life.

Living your life abdicating the responsibility for personal protection because "God will protect you" is mocking God and challenging him.

Your life is sacred, there is no right or duty to surrender it to the wicked.
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Tell you what. You get all the governments' to give up all their arms, and I'll think about giving up my own. Till then, just deal.
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