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Old 07-14-2007, 04:23 AM
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Default Guntown USA - 25 Murder Free Years

Kennesaw Georgia's city council past a law in 1982 mandating that every property owner must own and maintain a gun.

Since then, Kennesaw has doubled in it's population, gone 25 years without a single Murder,
Not a single resident has been shoot as a victim, defender or attacker.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

Maybe all of this is just correlation, a coincidence, luck. I don't believe that myself though.

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Maybe all of this is just correlation, a coincidence, luck. I don't believe that myself though.
At first glance, it does appear that guns have solved the towns crime problem. However (and I'm not claiming that that is not true), there needs to be more such experiments before it can be conclusive. One successful gun-town and one unsuccessful gun-free-town, both with rather tiny populations, is simply not conclusive. One wonders, for example, what the results would be if a large metropolitan area, perhaps with a population of a couple million people, adopted such gun-town policies.

By the way, how many murders were there in Kennesaw in the 25 years before the pro-gun legistration?
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Default Re: Guntown USA - 25 Murder Free Years

There have been plenty of instances were Gun Free Communities fail in efficiently decreasing crime, if crime is decreased at all. I've heard several accounts from former Gangbangers that Gun Free Communities attract Crime, for obvious reasons.

I think in a Metro setting, you will find more property owners who are probably unfit to handle firearms. I love the Second Amendment, I really do, but I think if you do a crime with a gun, or if you're a violent felon, or if you've had no training what so ever in gun use and gun safety, you are not eligible. So in Kennesaw, I'm sure their community were all able minded, good people to begin with.
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One wonders, for example, what the results would be if a large metropolitan area, perhaps with a population of a couple million people, adopted such gun-town policies.
Hmmm an area with lotsa very religous people with guns.... let's ask Baghdad.
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Crime rates nationally have been falling for 25 years, so it's unsurprising that the crime rate in Kennesaw has fallen, too.

To make the claim that the gun law is responsible for a drop in crime, you'd have to do the following:

1. Get a list of the Kennesaw crime rate for every year from about 1976 to the present;

2. Get comparable numbers for the state and country;

3. Ideally, filter #2 to compare Kennesaw to towns of similar size and proximity to metro areas;

4. Control for other factors, like per capita police presence, demographics, etc. If, for example, Kennesaw went from a poor, sparsely populated town to a relatively wealthy bedroom community, one would expect the crime rate to go down significantly simply because of that.

But start with #1 and #2, and see if a) Kennesaw's crime rate dropped meaningfully (and stayed dropped) after the law passed in 1982, and b) the overall drop in crime outpaced the national average.
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I would hate to live in a town where government kicks me out if I don't do what they say. Way to trample on peoples freedom Kennesaw.

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I worked in Kennesaw! By the way, although I support the 2nd Amendment completely, keep this in mind: Gun ownership in Kennesaw is no higher than anywhere else in Georgia. The law is not enforced. The city is a small, lily white suburb just north of Atlanta. And its murder rate is NOT zero. Murders have averaged 0.19 per year, which is still very low, but not zero. I would guess most small towns have a similar rate. Lastly, gun ownership in Atlanta is high and so is the murder rate.
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One wonders, for example, what the results would be if a large metropolitan area, perhaps with a population of a couple million people, adopted such gun-town policies.
Hmmm an area with lotsa very religous people with guns.... let's ask Baghdad.
That is quite a misleading and deceptive comparison. The reality is that guns used for self-protection does work. And the killing that goes on in baghdad is purely from islamic terrorism, not citizens who are defending themselves.

Gun control is possibly the dumbest idea in politics(besides high taxes and abolishment of religion). Because no matter how much you disarm citizens, criminals will always be able to buy weapons off the global black market. That is why Japan has such a problem with the mafia, because citizens have no defense against them.
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Firearms do work for protection and self defense. I've got a family that i would certainly kill for if we were intruded upon. I wouldn't hesitate to do so. But in my humble opinion to have a city that requires gun ownership is just as unconstitutional as one that bans gun ownership. We as Americans have the RIGHT to bare arms but not the obligation. People should be free to not own guns. I wouldn't dare be one of them but it's their right.
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That is why Japan has such a problem with the mafia, because citizens have no defense against them.
On the other side of that, Japan's murder rate is next to 0%.

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But in my humble opinion to have a city that requires gun ownership is just as unconstitutional as one that bans gun ownership.
I'm not sure which part of the Constitution the law violates. In any case, it's not enforced so it doesn't really matter. I know several families in Kennesaw, none of which own a gun.
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