Fair enough...Here's the link to the new thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3517

-Demosthenes

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In my family, the use of firearms was no different that the use of toasters...I learned to shoot and handle firearms safely at a very young age. Today I have quite a collection...

Browning 10 Gauge Light 3.5 stalker (turkey choke)
Beretta model A302 12 Gauge
Ruger Red Label 12 Gauge over and under
Browning Sweet 16
Remington Model 700 BDL . 17 Rem.
Remington Model 700 BDL DM .270 Rem.
Winchester Model 70 Classic .338 Win Mag.
Ruger No. 1 International .243 Win.
Sharps .50 Cal.
Ruger Mini 14 Stainless .223
Ruger 10/22 .22
AK 47 (pre ban)
SKS paratrooper model (pre ban)
Colt Gold Cup .45 ACP (accurized)
Safari Arms Enforcer .45 ACP (accurized)
Colt Mustang .380
Colt Woodsman .22
Thompson Center Contender in .17 Rem., .22, .221 Rem,223, 7MM TCU, .44 Mag, .45ACP, .357 Herrett, 45/70 Government

What can I say?...I like guns...

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It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

we have a gun. And two tazers and various clubs and im training my doberman to attack. Now its pushing, well move on to biting leter.

LOL...pushing...ROFLMAO....maybe you should stop with pushing...less likely to be sued than for biting...maybe you could teach him to give the intruders a good pinch...pushing....ROFLMAO...

thanks...

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hehe stories... i never meant it to be funny. To be more specific, im trying to train my dog to be a manstopper, i.e., "a dog possessing both the temperament and physical ability to stop a human intruder by inflicting such serious bodily harm as to render further advance physically impossible." hopefully the plentiful warnings on our property are going to keep people away anyways. (i dont seriously believe the dog has the right temperament, but ill try anyways)

so far he pushes doors open on command

attack dogs make me very nervous from a liability standpoint...unless....you have fences around your property that they can not jump over..in many ways, dogs...no matter how well trained...are like defending your property with explosives activated by motion detectors...

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It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

we have fences, and warning signs. If anybody got mauled, it would be impossible for them to prove it was our fault, as the dog doesnt leave the enclosure.

in a way, yes, but well just say im more used to dogs, youre more used to guns

I have dogs and they work for a living...bird dogs...maybe they could point to an intruder and make lots of noise...but yeah..I am more comfortable with guns for personal defense...I love my dogs, but I wouldn't bet my life, or the lives of my loved ones, on how they would react to an unknown situation.

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It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

"but I wouldn't bet my life, or the lives of my loved ones, on how they would react to an unknown situation. "

thats why you train them. The odds of their saving your life(if necessary) when you can control them better are greatly increased. I wouldnt rely soley on dogs, though- i agree with you on that.

And you have some nice ones!

For the Sharps, I give you

A Shiloh .50-90?

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