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    Quote Originally Posted by Hate_bs View Post
    You saw a problem and did nothing about it.

    That is equal to a liberal seeing a homeless man, walking away, then expecting the government to do something about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    I am not capable of attending every CCW class in the state, nor am I capable of training every person who is unable to hit the broadside of a barn. Your point is moot because it does not address the problem, nor it is practical in any sense of the word.

    It is much easier to amend the CCW law to include an item for handgun proficiency than it is for a single person to somehow help every incompetent shooter in the state. It is a silly argument.
    If it didn't make sense the first time, why would you repeat the same ridiculous request?
    There is no love in Fear.

    Feminism is pretty much an all whites club pretending to be concerned with equal rights of racial minorities.

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    Actually, here in Colorado as well as a number of other states, you can carry a firearm without a license.... it just can't be concealed. No license. No class. Nothing other than ostensibly being able to pass a background check when purchasing the firearm.

    The CCW class I took was pretty much a joke for me since I've been shooting pretty much all my life. Was it, in my opinion, a good enough class to truly teach someone not only about the firearm and how to shoot it, but also the legal aspects of owning/carrying a firearm? Not even close, even for someone like me.

    The legal aspects of owning/carrying a firearm are like any other governmentally regulated aspect of our lives; full of loopholes, gotchas, little known technicalities, and unknowns. The biggest unknown is that ANY time you decide you need to use or even draw your weapon and the government finds out about it, you come under the scrutiny of the DA's office which then decides whether or not you've broken any laws or were justified in doing what you did. The ONLY time I would ever even CONSIDER using my weapon is if it is truly a matter of life and death.

    Should the CCW laws be looked at? Not really in my opinion. Very few people, even those with CCW licenses, carry. Those like Wolverine describes probably will never carry. Now, if we saw numerous examples of people being irresposible with their firearms while out in public and while they are concealed, I would push for more required training. Since it has been decades since CCW licenses have become more mainstream (Florida enacted their CCW laws in 1987), if irresponsible, untrained carriers were truly an issue, shouldn't we have seen examples by now?

    The far larger threat, IMHO, are the people who have a gun at home for whatever purpose and are not responsible with their firearm. I have a gun at home I use for defense. I also have a five year old granddaughter who LOVES to get into things. If she comes over, the gun goes in the safe and the safe gets locked. No exceptions.

    So, I hate it when someone whines about a problem like I just did without giving a reasonable solution to the problem. What is my solution? Education! Not just education of the gun owner and what his/her responsibilities are, but of any person living where a gun is accessible even if they hate guns. Children? ESPECIALLY children!

    People who have never been around firearms have only TV and movies to rely on for how things really are with guns. Just taking people out to show them what guns are really like solves that problem quickly and effectively. Kids learn that firearms are NOT toys and that they are very violent and VERY different from what they see on TV and in movies.

    So why educate people who hate guns? Because ignorance is far more dangerous than a few minutes spent getting educated. My step-daughter was vehemently anti gun even though she had never fired one or been around one being fired. She was also deathly afraid of just being in the same room with a gun. She didn't want to be educated since she didn't see any value in it. Wrong attitude! If you don't know how to handle a gun, what are you going to do if you find yourself in a situation with a gun? She understood this common sense fact and I trained her how to handle / inspect / load and unload a firearm. She now enjoys going to the range occasionally and shooting .22s.

    This isn't or shouldn't be a liberal / conservative issue. The fact is guns are a part of life in America. If we are going to have guns in our lives, we should be responsible and educate ourselves and everyone we can. We shouldn't be ordered by the government to be responsible.

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    The only way to ensure uniform education is by government regulations.

    It odes not matter if the shooter I described may or may not carry a gun regularly, the issue is that he can. With the power, comes responsibility, and there is no one enforces the need to adhere to that responsibility through education.

    People may or may not choose to educate themselves about guns, and sadly, that does not prevent someone who does not know how to shoot straight from carrying a firearm. That sad reality makes us all look bad and is an venue for far tighter restrictions and the dismissal of any claim that CCW holders are all responsible gun owners (especially considering live fire is not a requirement). There is no test to ensure that they are responsible.

    I am not a big fan of open carry (I view it as counter productive) so that was excluded from my op....
    There is no love in Fear.

    Feminism is pretty much an all whites club pretending to be concerned with equal rights of racial minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    If it didn't make sense the first time, why would you repeat the same ridiculous request?
    You are capable of training the one man you walked away from.

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    What sort of slimy cowards would creep about the world hiding their popguns under their dresses? What a load of crummy assassins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hate_bs View Post
    You are capable of training the one man you walked away from.
    One of how many?

    If it didn't make sense the first time, why would you repeat the same ridiculous request?
    There is no love in Fear.

    Feminism is pretty much an all whites club pretending to be concerned with equal rights of racial minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    What sort of slimy cowards would creep about the world hiding their popguns under their dresses? What a load of crummy assassins!
    What kind of people would carry them openly and scare other people?

    Concealed is the only way to go.
    There is no love in Fear.

    Feminism is pretty much an all whites club pretending to be concerned with equal rights of racial minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    What kind of people would carry them openly and scare other people?

    Concealed is the only way to go.
    Behaving like civilized people and not killing one another is the way to go. Fair play, though, you have a terrible historical backlog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    Behaving like civilized people and not killing one another is the way to go. Fair play, though, you have a terrible historical backlog.
    No one intends to kill another person when they go to the store for milk. If they choose to carry a gun, they do so to prevent harm to themselves.

    I do not intent to play fair. If someone comes at me with a knife I have no intentions of pulling a knife, I will use the best tool to preserve my own well being.

    Your argument makes very little sense.
    There is no love in Fear.

    Feminism is pretty much an all whites club pretending to be concerned with equal rights of racial minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    Behaving like civilized people and not killing one another is the way to go. Fair play, though, you have a terrible historical backlog.
    Are you civilized?

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