Thread: Gun Related Deaths In America 2012

Originally Posted by Reiver

You won't find a 'more bats=more crime' hypothesis is supported by the evidence. The comparison is therefore useless

My point is, no matter how many times you take something away, they will just find something new to play with, or they'll smuggle guns in.

Originally Posted by Thinker

My point is, no matter how many times you take something away, they will just find something new to play with, or they'll smuggle guns in.

There will always be crime. There will always be guns. However, as gun prevalence falls, we can expect falls in types of crime. Your point didn't describe that reality

Originally Posted by Reiver

There will always be crime. There will always be guns. However, as gun prevalence falls, we can expect falls in types of crime. Your point didn't describe that reality

There will not be a fall in crime, there will however be a rise in deaths as homeowners are unable to protect themselfs. Would you like me to explain why crime would either stay the same, or rise?

Originally Posted by Thinker

There will not be a fall in crime, there will however be a rise in deaths as homeowners are unable to protect themselfs.

That isn't consistent with the evidence.

Would you like me to explain why crime would either stay the same, or rise?

You must be in a parallel universe as the evidence in this one finds that gun prevalence leads to higher death rates

Originally Posted by Reiver

That isn't consistent with the evidence.


You must be in a parallel universe as the evidence in this one finds that gun prevalence leads to higher death rates

No it doesnt, and why dont you provide some evidence? I dont do evidence, i do philosophy and probabillity.

Originally Posted by Thinker

I dont do evidence

Then you're wasting my time (and everyone else's)

Originally Posted by Reiver

Then you're wasting my time (and everyone else's)

I havent seen you put down evidence, or any thing relating to it besides your statement. Did you know washington D.C. has gun laws, along with Chicago.

Originally Posted by Thinker

My point is, no matter how many times you take something away, they will just find something new to play with, or they'll smuggle guns in.

I've been reading up on Australia recently, two things seem to be happening --

First, while the number of forearm deaths has declined, the number of knife crimes is skyrocketing.

Secondly, there is a problem with the illegal importation of firearms. This appears to be by gangs, who buy firearms or firearm components overseas and smuggle them into Australia.

Solve one problem, and create two more - government at its best!

Originally Posted by SpotsCat

First, while the number of forearm deaths has declined, the number of knife crimes is skyrocketing.

Can you refer to any evidence linking the two? We can of course refer to evidence that shows, for example, that buyback has had significant effects on both suicide and homicide; e.g. Leigh and Neill (2010, Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data, American Law & Economics Review, Vol. 12 Issue 2, pp 462-508 )

Originally Posted by Reiver

Can you refer to any evidence linking the two? We can of course refer to evidence that shows, for example, that buyback has had significant effects on both suicide and homicide; e.g. Leigh and Neill (2010, Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data, American Law & Economics Review, Vol. 12 Issue 2, pp 462-508 )

Why does it matter?