Thread: Gun Related Deaths In America 2012

Yes, let's blame the guns and not the people. Because no one would have been killed this year if guns were illegal.

I honestly can't believe anyone is still anti-gun. There just doesn't seem to be a single good argument for outlawing them. Plus it's ultra weird to me when people who live in countries where they are already outlawed have strong opinions about why other countries should outlaw them. Personally, I don't care that Australia doesn't have guns. I don't live there.

Originally Posted by Thinker

guns influence crime primarily by increasing the homicide rate...hmmm. Do i need to tell anyone how retarded that statement sounds?

Its a summary of the results from the empirical analysis. Its a hypothesis that has to be tested as, hypothetically, we could see reductions in types of crime because of the deterrence effects from self-defence. However, the evidence clearly shows that these types of crime increase. You'd know this if you have bothered to review the literature...

Originally Posted by Reiver

Its a summary of the results from the empirical analysis. Its a hypothesis that has to be tested as, hypothetically, we could see reductions in types of crime because of the deterrence effects from self-defence. However, the evidence clearly shows that these types of crime increase. You'd know this if you have bothered to review the literature...

Gun violence increases when you have no legal guns. Yes crimes increase but not just gun crime but all crime. HMMM? Wonder if there is a deterrent factor in there? A deterrent the anti-gunners of the world simply ignore. The statistics prove this out; however, everything but the lack of legally owned guns is blamed.

Originally Posted by Archer0915

HMMM? Wonder if there is a deterrent factor in there?

Deterrence effects aren't found to be substantial. We wouldn't have increases in crime types if they were. There's even evidence to show (see, for example, the work by Ludwig) that burglary rates increase because of guns becoming a valuable loot.

Originally Posted by Makedde

How typical. An American claiming he will kill someone simply for taking his guns away. Since when do Americans support the death penalty for theft?
I won't break into your home, I have no reason to, and think it is ghastly that you would murder someone just for taking away a firearm.

You don't like the idea??? Then don't be the one that trys to take my weapons. And a theft??? A person comes into my home I see it as they are there to do my family harm and that's not going happen. And if you don't like that idea, don't break into my home.

Murder??? ABSOLUTELY NOT, self defense!!! Firearms in private hands are a REAL deterrent for keeping the government in check. And Make, that was the whole idea behind the 2nd Amendment!!

Isnt the idea of a armed populace against the goverment fantasy when view the news.

In any country that is tried in, the goverment eventually uses the military to crush the rebellion. While the rest of the world watches and cries out "human rights abuses"

One of the moset recent attempts in egypt, the protesters outside the egyptian military headquaters. And what happens? The goverment sends in the military to fire live rounds killing scores of people.

I am not sure how many were armed, but the loss of life might have been greater if they were armed, vs professional soliders.

Originally Posted by Makedde

Here's another one. This time, a cop shoots dead a Marine because the Marine was 'acting irrationally'. Oh, and he was shot next to his car. With his two young daughters inside. Nice:



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...ine-shot-.html

Right. Shoot first and ask questions later, right? What about wounding him? Why kill a man just because you don't like the way he is acting?

I hope the cop is charged and jailed.

You can find isolated cases on anything if you try but the fact that there is ANY hand gun crime in England says it all.

Originally Posted by Reiver

Deterrence effects aren't found to be substantial. We wouldn't have increases in crime types if they were. There's even evidence to show (see, for example, the work by Ludwig) that burglary rates increase because of guns becoming a valuable loot.

Gun Related Deaths In America 2012

Originally Posted by GeneralZod

Isnt the idea of a armed populace against the goverment fantasy when view the news.

In any country that is tried in, the goverment eventually uses the military to crush the rebellion. While the rest of the world watches and cries out "human rights abuses"

One of the moset recent attempts in egypt, the protesters outside the egyptian military headquaters. And what happens? The goverment sends in the military to fire live rounds killing scores of people.

I am not sure how many were armed, but the loss of life might have been greater if they were armed, vs professional soliders.

That depends on the composition of the military. In the US (and the rest of the free world) it would be a little different.

Originally Posted by Archer0915

That depends on the composition of the military. In the US (and the rest of the free world) it would be a little different.

Why would it? As the military in any nation blindly follow orders. Under an obligation to do so. And most of the young minds of the soliders be told they be fighting 'terrorists' or other such nonsense. Instead of any political insight to the disturbances.

So it be like egypt or syria, etc.. with professional troops of all varieties protecting the goverments position.