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No, I've summed up that you're adopting an approach which can only be summed as deliberately avoiding the scientific approach.Originally Posted by beenthere
No, I've summed up that you're adopting an approach which can only be summed as deliberately avoiding the scientific approach.
Analyst
Let's see, we have a dead body over here;
count that as 1 dead body
{{{Wow, the econometric analysis required!!!}}}
We have a rape victim being transported to the hospital;
Mark that down a 1 rape victim.
{{{Hey, Riev, this is real hard isn't it???}}}
We have a guy beat to a pulp in the park and the witnesses say the other guy hit him with no cause.
Mark that down as an assult.
{{{Are we following the scientific process???}}}
So tell me, Riev, are you going to try an assult someone you know is packing a firearm?? Come on Riev, be honest, are you??? Are you going to try an rape a woman that you know has a gun on her??? Are you going to burlarize a house where you know a gun lives???
Last edited by beenthere; Feb 20 2012 at 02:46 PM.
Analyst
BULL Crap, you tried to drown me with words saying nothing except you were going to cut and run
Last edited by beenthere; Feb 20 2012 at 02:46 PM.
To test hypothesis one needs a large data set. This allows for the inclusion of multiple variables and sufficient degrees of freedom to enable tests of robustness
Again, you'd know this if you had bothered to research the topic. It seems to me you haven't bothered
Afraid you haven't got the means to critique what I've said. Its only by correctly referring to the evidence that you can actually join the 'proper' debate
Guru
If your data set is wrong or leaves something out, then your conclusion is wrong. You do not prove anything but rely on someone else's work to bolster your already preconceived opinion so all we are left with is your opinion and conflicting studies.
Last edited by Hoosier8; Feb 21 2012 at 04:13 AM.
Analyst
That is usually the idea when use links/urls. Rely on someone elses doggish stubborn research. Although Reiver is at least trying to use links from sources who take the subject seriously and not gutter rags by some other optimistic chatters.
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think the sardines will be thrown into the sea.
Guru
Funny I linked government studies. Are those not credible?
Statistics be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. We are looking at numbers not SD. It is simple and data from governments is the best source. This data does show that when guns go out crime rises. The economic effects can be seen in higher jail populace and court, police and social service costs. Reiver wants to talk economic impact? I can play that game.
Number of recorded crimes
Violent crime
Violent crime includes homicide, assault, sexual assault, robbery and kidnapping
(sometimes referred to as abduction). Although robbery may include an element
of property crime, it is included as a violent crime, as the use or threat of violence
is a more serious offence than the theft.
Table 1 Victims of violent crimes, 1996–2008 (n)
Homicide Assault Sexual assault Robbery Kidnapping
1996 354 114,156 14,542 16,372 478
1997 364 124,500 14,353 21,305 564
1998 334 130,903 14,689 23,801 707
1999 385 134,271 14,699 22,606 766
2000 362 138,708 16,406 23,336 695
2001 347 152,283 17,577 26,591 767
2002 366 159,548 18,718 20,989 706
2003 341 157,280 18,025 19,709 696
2004 302 156,849 19,171 16,513 768
2005 301 166,507 18,695 17,176 729
2006 321 172,441 19,555 17,375 726
2007 283 176,427 19,781 17,996 733
2008 290 170,277 19,733 16,508 782
• Assaults continue to represent the majority of recorded violent crimes, with an
overall trend of increased offending since 1996. Although a decrease was recorded
between 2007 and 2008, there has been a 49 percent increase in assaults between
1996 and 2008. (1996 got rid of guns)
• Although sexual assault is one of the least reported types of crime, there was
an overall increase over the period 1996–2007[1996 got rid of guns] (although the number of assaults
decreased between 2007 and 200. The highest numbers of victims of sexual
assault and of assaults in general were recorded in 2007.
• For violent crime, the trend in the past five years has varied. Variability from year
to year is more pronounced in offences that have a smaller number of victims,
such as homicide.
70.28% increase in violent crime
17% popularion growth.
12 years 1996-2008
http://www.ssaa.org.au/research/2010...gures-2009.pdf
http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...00&hl=en&dl=en
So there are the numbers for AU from the government. Would you like to see others that correlate? Hey the US with all of our guns is safer man.
Wait the crime rate in the US is going down.
But wait we have castle laws and kill a car jacker laws as well.
Last edited by Archer0915; Feb 21 2012 at 06:01 AM.
When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.
Analyst
Archer, i did say that before. Between yourself and Reiver, both are using serious data. My view was to posters like beenthere. Who use gutter journalism which contain a few paragraphs of jignosim and then display random graphs.
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think the sardines will be thrown into the sea.
Guru
OOPS
this thread is so long that I forgot who was who.
Rep of Apology.
When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.
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