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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    Are you seriously going to go for a "there are multiple causes of death so we can ignore one"


    The empirical evidence cannot reject the 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis. Unless you refer to properly conducted empirical testing you have nothing but hot air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Excellent find!

    A paragraph in the article you've referenced brings up a question that I've repeatedly asked, and none of the anti-firearm advocates can (or will) answer -- (bold type mine)

    Here it may be appropriate to recall the First Law of Economics, a law whose operation has been sharply in evidence in the case of Prohibition, marijuana and other drugs, prostitution, pornography, and a host of other banned activities and substances--namely, that demand creates its own supply. There is no evidence anywhere to show that reducing the availability of firearms in general likewise reduces their availability to persons with criminal intent, or that persons with criminal intent would not be able to arm themselves under any set of general restrictions on firearms.
    Given that the "War on Drugs" is little more than a containment exercise, and that "Prohibition" was an abject failure, why would anyone believe that banning firearms would have any chance of success?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    The empirical evidence cannot reject the 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis. Unless you refer to properly conducted empirical testing you have nothing but hot air.
    Except, of course, when it doesn't. Unfortunately for you, your empirical evidence proves nothing. If your silly hypothesis were true then Switzerland would be a war zone.
    Last edited by Hoosier8; Feb 22 2012 at 04:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpotsCat View Post
    Excellent find!

    A paragraph in the article you've referenced brings up a question that I've repeatedly asked, and none of the anti-firearm advocates can (or will) answer -- (bold type mine)



    Given that the "War on Drugs" is little more than a containment exercise, and that "Prohibition" was an abject failure, why would anyone believe that banning firearms would have any chance of success?
    Now Reiver please post your studies or you really fail here; as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Except, of course, when it doesn't. Unfortunately for you, your empirical evidence proves nothing. If your silly hypothesis were true then Switzerland would be a war zone.
    Actually Reiver is 100% correct is some cases but depending on the variables he is also dead wrong in other cases.

    The more guns in the hands of criminals the higher the crime rate where there is no deterrent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Except, of course, when it doesn't.
    I suppose you could just ignore the evidence! You fellows seem content with that approach

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    I suppose you could just ignore the evidence! You fellows seem content with that approach
    We were wondering...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    I suppose you could just ignore the evidence! You fellows seem content with that approach
    What evidence have you provided that we can see? Your word?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    What evidence have you provided that we can see? Your word?
    He found a study that backs up his bias and also says that the previous studies that found evidence otherwise were wrong. In other words, he read it on the internetz. And of course he is right, because he says he is.
    Last edited by Hoosier8; Feb 22 2012 at 08:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    He found a study that backs up his bias and also says that the previous studies that found evidence otherwise were wrong. In other words, he read it on the internetz. And of course he is right, because he says he is.
    Or studies that no one has access to.

    Or, more amusing, I can show him a series of links demonstrating that countries with strict gun control have higher suicide rates than the US..... but guns still increase suicide rates. LOL
    A contradiction of sorts. A contradiction that is resolved by a study that no one has access to. LOL Unfalsifiable claims are fun.
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