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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    You've put your foot in it here. What assumptions does it make and present evidence to show that they lead to empirical bias?
    Assumptions are made and then study are made to prove them.

    http://home.uchicago.edu/~ludwigj/pa..._2006FINAL.pdf
    Under certain reasonable assumptions, the average annual marginal social cost of household gun ownership is in the range $100 to $1800.
    Our results suggest that the social cost of an additional household acquiring a
    handgun depends on the rate of violence and the existing prevalence of guns, but under a wide range of assumptions is greater than $100 per year.
    Based on an analysis of national GSS estimates over time, the hypothesis
    that FSS is a bperfectQ proxy cannot be rejected, but that is not the same thing as
    demonstrating that it is perfect in fact.
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    The correlation between national household handgun prevalence and FSS over 18 waves of the GSS is 0.635, very close to the mean of a large number of correlations generated from a simulation based on the assumption that FSS is exact and the GSS estimates are unbiased but subject to normal sampling error. That mean is 0.664.
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    Note that all of the estimates presented here assume that the elasticity of homicide with respect to guns is constant across counties. When we test this assumption by including interactions between FSS and indicators for whether the county’s value of FSS in 1980 is in the top or bottom quartile, these interactions are not statistically significant.
    These elasticity estimates with respect to FSS also serve as estimated elasticities with respect to the household prevalence of gun ownership, if FSS is proportional to prevalence. Based on cross-section data, FSS does not appear to be strictly proportional—the best-fit line between FSS and survey-based gun ownership rates is linear with a significantly negative intercept (Azrael et al., 2004). But proportionality is a defensible assumption for time-series data: a regression of national handgun prevalence rates (from GSS data) on FSS yields an intercept with a t-statistic of only 1. In what follows, we treat the elasticity with respect to FSS as equal to the elasticity with respect to the prevalence of gun ownership.
    There are a couple more.

    So were assumptions made of were assumptions proved? Like I said the value of many lives is a societal negative.
    Last edited by Archer0915; Feb 24 2012 at 04:28 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Assumptions are made and then study are made to prove them.
    Woeful attempt that again only shows your innocence. You have to show that the assumptions lead to empirical bias. You have to show that the conclusions aren't robust. You won't be able to manage that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    Woeful attempt that again only shows your innocence. You have to show that the assumptions lead to empirical bias. You have to show that the conclusions aren't robust. You won't be able to manage that
    I am saying that 1M for the value of a random life, one that would be common in a scenario where they would be shot, is actually a negative value.

    I am saying that many murders save the tax payers money.

    The study is flawed.

    http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...808049,00.html
    Last edited by Archer0915; Feb 24 2012 at 06:16 AM.
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    I just want to throw this out there, yall keep repeating yourselfs without getting anywhere, maybe we should let the thread die.
    Last edited by Thinker; Feb 24 2012 at 07:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
    I just want to throw this out there, yall keep repeating yourselfs without getting anywhere, maybe we should let the thread die.
    It will in short order we are nearing 500. Until that time I must fight his lies and propaganda.
    When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    It will in short order we are nearing 500. Until that time I must fight his lies and propaganda.
    You won't get anywhere. No matter the facts, a true believer has already made up his/her mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    You won't get anywhere. No matter the facts, a true believer has already made up his/her mind.
    Yes but BS spewed and un-countered gets spread as truth by those who only read the final post. Gotta stay on top of the propaganda you know.
    When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Yes but BS spewed and un-countered gets spread as truth by those who only read the final post. Gotta stay on top of the propaganda you know.
    Unfortunately for those that cannot think for themselves will rely solely on some peer reviewed paper for their thinking. If it is something that has not been made into a peer reviewed paper, then for them, there is no evidence. Not even the weight of history and experience will make any sense to them.
    Last edited by Hoosier8; Feb 24 2012 at 09:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Unfortunately for those that cannot think for themselves will rely solely on some peer reviewed paper for their thinking. If it is something that has not been made into a peer reviewed paper, then for them, there is no evidence. Not even the weight of history and experience will make any sense to them.
    I mean there is really nothing wrong with the paper Reiver presented but it is not the end all tell all and I do feel it is flawed.

    This paper drew some conclusions and though well done those conclusions are vary specific.

    Sure the paper was peer reviewed but it was not put up in front of the opposition for review. It was put in front of a group that would not look for the flaws.
    When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Yes but BS spewed and un-countered gets spread as truth by those who only read the final post. Gotta stay on top of the propaganda you know.
    I went to the local BassPro shop last night, and found myself (as usual) in the hunting section looking at pistols and ammunition. The clerk and I began talking about ammunition, and he tried to sell me some Winchester ammunition.

    I told him that I normally use Remington ammo, but would consider switching brands if he could provide me with some peer-reviewed studies containing empirical evidence which could conclusively demonstrate his contention that Winchester ammunition is as good as Remington.

    He came back with a sales brochure that showed the various powder loads, bullet weights, and bullet types, but I told him that the raw data was meaningless unless it had been properly reviewed, and shown to eliminate all the external variables.

    He called me crazy, to which I responded that he was biased and unable to provide me with conclusive data, therefore his contention was unsubstantiated by any actual proof.

    Guess I showed him, eh?

    BTW - I didn't buy the Winchester ammo, I bought a box of Speer instead.
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