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No, you look for raw data to feed your bias. That isn't evidence based. Indeed, its completely against what the empirical process adopts.Originally Posted by beenthere
No, you look for raw data to feed your bias. That isn't evidence based. Indeed, its completely against what the empirical process adopts.
Guru
Sorry, Reiver is not interested in evidence or facts but only with peer reviewed papers that support his own bias. The fact that violent crime dropped the last 10 years even though gun ownership skyrocketed makes no difference to him because you did not show the reverse based on a peer reviewed paper that he likes.
The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts-- or even the lives of other people. ~ Thomas Sowell
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A particularly clueless comment as I'm the only one here adopting- unflinchingly- an evidence based approach. The problem is that you don't know what evidence entails
Guru
Well he avoided the south of the border issue all together.
When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.
Analyst
O.K., Reiv, we have grown up in a gun culture in the States. Europeans for the most part have never held a firearm let alone grew up using them. It's hard to compare a nation where guns have been outlawed and for the most part don't exist to a nation that has over 300 million in citizens hands. That's like pointing to Yemen and comparing how many fewer auto crashes they have than the U.S., it doesn't compute
Irrelevant except to the feasibility of a gun ban. This is about logic, evidence and rationality. You shouldn't find the three so unpalatable!
Guru
Tell ya what. You propose a way to stop the drugs coming in to the US. The growing Latin American Gang violence, the influx of criminals, the liberal court system....and I will think about giving up my guns.
The US is not Europe.
Last edited by Archer0915; Feb 25 2012 at 02:45 PM.
When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.
Most of the evidence that cannot reject the 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis is American. You continue to show a complete disregard for the evidence and I find that most disagreeable
Guru
Look at mexico! Look what we deal with in the US. Come over here and live in some areas. They do not need guns. Many will take what they want and if they want your ass they will take that and they will not use lube. You think you know something but you are ignorant of reality.
When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.
You won't be able to use that to discount your agreement that gun prevalence increases homicide. You also won't be able to use it to discount the evidence that shows gun control reduces homicide. The evidence isn't your friend
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