You're not making sense here. The majority of the available empirical studies, reflecting the influence of US academia and the abundance of the data availability, is US specific. The evidence just doesn't support your dogma. You need to adapt!Originally Posted by beenthere
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Good. In the real world of human nature we have to many variables for you to sit there and tell us that there is nothing to be learned from looking at "RAW DATA" or long ranged data such as the crime rate in Asutralia. 5 years is enough data to give us a trend of what's happening, what's helping, and what's not. When you go into your egg headed nonsense it is laughable.
You demand tabloidism because of complexity. In reality (and reality isn't your friend here my ole china), its that complexity that ensures the need for empirical analysis rather than spurious spurt. You're attacking yourself without realising it
Guru
In 2010, an estimated 1,246,248 violent crimes occurred nationwide, a decrease of 6.0 percent from the 2009 estimate.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr.../violent-crime
You can thank Obama for the recent increase. The best gun salesman of the year.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/se...hest-1993.aspx
The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts-- or even the lives of other people. ~ Thomas Sowell
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You're using raw data blindly. Thought involves following the empirical process!
Guru
Why do you think statistics outweigh raw data? Statistics show probability, raw data shows facts.
Three kinds of lies.
Lies
(*)(*)(*)(*)ed Lies
and Statistics
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The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts-- or even the lives of other people. ~ Thomas Sowell
http://www.assaultweapon.info/
Guru
Thar is the issue. Economists have caused too many problems. OOPs got that wrong. Well that is just new data for next rime when I get it wrong.
When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.
Ask two economists a question, and you'll get three different answers!
(This is #558 - I can't believe we're this far past the shut-down point!)
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Guru
Fact, gun ownership is at least steady in the US.
Fact, unless the population were static, gun ownership would stay the same, but since the population increases and gun ownership has stayed the same, the number of guns has increased.
Fact, Violent crime has decreased.
Now, to believe what some want you to believe, that "more guns = more violent crime", you would have to completely ignore evidence and only believe an "empiracal process" using statistics that proves the opposite of the facts.
In other words, facts are meaningless to believe this. In real world terms, that would be like landing on the moon and discovering it was not made of green cheese, but not believing that was possible because an "empiracal process" using statistics proves that it is still made of green cheese.
The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts-- or even the lives of other people. ~ Thomas Sowell
http://www.assaultweapon.info/
You've put your foot in it again. The cliché will typically refer to raw data, given basic statistical analysis will lead to spurious conclusion. Its imperative that empirical bias is monitored, ensuring properly conducted hypothesis testing.
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