Thread: Guns and kids

Originally Posted by Wolverine

You just contradicted yourself.

No, I've bothered to refer to the evidence. We cannot understand international trends in suicide without reference to gun data.

Originally Posted by Reiver

No, I've bothered to refer to the evidence. We cannot understand international trends in suicide without reference to gun data.

When Greece takes the world economy out, you will be my slave or to someone like me.

This discussion has nothing to do with Greece, failing economies, or a fantasy of a Fallout 3 type post apocalyptic world.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

This discussion has nothing to do with Greece, failing economies, or a fantasy of a Fallout 3 type post apocalyptic world.

Yep, just discussion over the trends and their inconsistency with your stance

Or the dismissal of your self-contradictory position?

*Wolverine, posts stats showing that the US is suicidally outranked by many gun control savvy nations, despite having *the highest* guns per capita in civilian hands*

*Reiver, guns contribute to suicide*

*Wolverine, wtf*

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Or the dismissal of your self-contradictory position?

Again, I've but referred to the evidence. That we have to refer to gun effects to understand suicide trends is matter of fact. Your position is based on a "yeah but, yeah but, other factors impact on suicide rates" obviousness. That isn't necessarily a problem, except when you deliberately ignore those other factors to peddle spurious prance

Originally Posted by Fangbeer

Originally Posted by Danct

You're making spurious relationships.

He's refuting a spurious relationship.

By offering more spurious relationships? Sorta like offering a drowning man a drink of water, I'd say. Not very helpful.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

I am dismissing the alleged relationship.

But you're trying to disprove a spurious relationship with more of the same. How is this persuasive?

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Your notion of gun contributing to suicides is false and irrelevant to the cause of suicide. [emphasis mine]

I don't think anyone said that guns CAUSE suicide, Wolverine. Why must the study of a relationship of gun ownership and suicide be solely about the CAUSE of the suicide? The two things can be looked at individually, you know.

I believe you are misunderstanding me, I am not saying that anyone has said that guns cause suicide.

I am dismissing the notion that they contribute to suicide by a significant amount. If they did, then the US would be topping all of those lists. it is not. The why is more important than how.