Why is supporting gun control so unbeliebable?

**Barry Badrinath** · Mar 28 2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Archer0915

Read the rest of the constitution please. Article 1 section 8 is a place to start.

And???????

**Archer0915** · Mar 28 2012, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Barry Badrinath

And???????

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

A bunch of people who have been convicted of taking lives, stealing, shooting... , with the known repeat offense rate, running the streets with guns. Congress would not be fulfilling its obligation if they just let anyone carry a gun or possess one.

**Barry Badrinath** · Mar 28 2012, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Archer0915

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

A bunch of people who have been convicted of taking lives, stealing, shooting... , with the known repeat offense rate, running the streets with guns. Congress would not be fulfilling its obligation if they just let anyone carry a gun or possess one.

Well this seems to be a failure of our justice system, if you're a killer, child molester... etc... you should be killed..

There are plenty of felony acts that happen that do not justify the forbidden act of that person ever owning a firearm...

**Archer0915** · Mar 28 2012, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Barry Badrinath

Well this seems to be a failure of our justice system, if you're a killer, child molester... etc... you should be killed..

There are plenty of felony acts that happen that do not justify the forbidden act of that person ever owning a firearm...

Well I agree that many things that are felonies probably should not be but the fact remains "they knew it was a crime". If one chooses to break the law one must deal with the consequence. Hell at least companies get tax credits to hire felons.

**Barry Badrinath** · Mar 28 2012, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Archer0915

Well I agree that many things that are felonies probably should not be but the fact remains "they knew it was a crime". If one chooses to break the law one must deal with the consequence. Hell at least companies get tax credits to hire felons.

The "right" to keep and bear arms is not a right granted to me by government, but one of natural rights...

**fifthofnovember** · Mar 29 2012, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Archer0915

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

A bunch of people who have been convicted of taking lives, stealing, shooting... , with the known repeat offense rate, running the streets with guns. Congress would not be fulfilling its obligation if they just let anyone carry a gun or possess one.

#1."Fulfilling it's obligation" you say? It says "shall have the power to", not, "is obligated to". Is Congress obligated to pay the Debts? Obviously not. Are they obligated to collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts AND Excises? No. So to say that they are obligated to do something so incredibly vague as to make any and all kinds of laws that might be construed at the moment to be for the "general Welfare of the United States" is ridiculous, particularly when it contradicts the explicit, specific wording in the 2nd Amendment.

#2. Everything is a felony today. You are allowing the government to define away your God-given right to defend yourself. So let's say that the government makes dissent a crime, such as if they pass a Sedition Act again. Now you can't vote, you can't own a gun, effectively you have been prevented from any dissent, and any means to change the government that outlawed dissent. According to you,

"they knew it was a crime". If one chooses to break the law one must deal with the consequence.

Is this really the type of country you want to live in? Is this what you call freedom? You should be perfectly happy living in North Korea or some place like that then. But THIS IS AMERICA. (*)(*)(*)(*) that.

**Barry Badrinath** · Mar 29 2012, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by fifthofnovember

#1."Fulfilling it's obligation" you say? It says "shall have the power to", not, "is obligated to". Is Congress obligated to pay the Debts? Obviously not. Are they obligated to collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts AND Excises? No. So to say that they are obligated to do something so incredibly vague as to make any and all kinds of laws that might be construed at the moment to be for the "general Welfare of the United States" is ridiculous, particularly when it contradicts the explicit, specific wording in the 2nd Amendment.

#2. Everything is a felony today. You are allowing the government to define away your God-given right to defend yourself. So let's say that the government makes dissent a crime, such as if they pass a Sedition Act again. Now you can't vote, you can't own a gun, effectively you have been prevented from any dissent, and any means to change the government that outlawed dissent. According to you, Is this really the type of country you want to live in? Is this what you call freedom? You should be perfectly happy living in North Korea or some place like that then. But THIS IS AMERICA. (*)(*)(*)(*) that.

^^^ What he said......

**Texsdrifter** · Mar 29 2012, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Barry Badrinath

The "right" to keep and bear arms is not a right granted to me by government, but one of natural rights...

I would like to agree with you but I can't; besides death we have no natural rights left. Even that they try to regulate like it or not it is the truth.

**Texsdrifter** · Mar 29 2012, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by fifthofnovember

#1."Fulfilling it's obligation" you say? It says "shall have the power to", not, "is obligated to". Is Congress obligated to pay the Debts? Obviously not. Are they obligated to collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts AND Excises? No. So to say that they are obligated to do something so incredibly vague as to make any and all kinds of laws that might be construed at the moment to be for the "general Welfare of the United States" is ridiculous, particularly when it contradicts the explicit, specific wording in the 2nd Amendment.
They do not follow the words anymore they pick bit and pieces of every court decision made by the supreme court. It took over 200 years for them to affirm it was a individual right. That was by a 5-4 vote with the dissenting opinion having a frighting view of the amendment.
#2. Everything is a felony today. You are allowing the government to define away your God-given right to defend yourself. So let's say that the
government makes dissent a crime, such as if they pass a Sedition Act again. Now you can't vote, you can't own a gun, effectively you have been prevented from any dissent, and any means to change the government that outlawed
dissent. According to you, Is this really the type of country you want to live in? Is this what you call freedom? You should be perfectly happy living in North Korea or some place like that then. But THIS IS AMERICA. (*)(*)(*)(*) that.

I can see your point I think America has arrested far too many of it's citizens for moral reasons. I think lot of laws should be removed from the books. Right or wrong that is how they operate. People with a violent history should not have weapons.; Nor should the mentally ill they are a threat to society. The war on drugs is a crock that destroys freedom and futures of it's citizens. We can only operate within the system that exist to be in denial serves no propose.