Thread: Don’t Ban Guns — Ban the United Nations

Originally Posted by GeneralZod

I am mildly concerned when americans try to speak for my rights and the greater world. You morons want to be armed. Do it far away from civilised people.

Does the Queen still have subjects?

What are the stabbing/blunt force trauma incidents numbers compared to the gun fire incidents? Is one method of deadly criminal assualt more acceptable than another?

The right to self defense can be seen in the animal kingdom as natural and innate. When one creature is threatened by another creature (of its species or another) it becomes defensive, that is self preservation, self defense. It is instinctual.

Now animals can only use the tools that nature's Creator provided them. Human beings are blessed with the ability to develop tools for specific tasks. Tools can make one equal to a task, Grandma with the correct attitude/mindset can be a match for a six-foot-five-inch thug with a nasty-deed mindset if she is armed.

You are responsible for your safety and I for mine. If you were to abstain from a particular tool or strategy or decide that you would not defend yourself altogether I would applaud your choice as your personal right. You wouldn't jump off a building or walk in certain neighborhoods at particular times because these acts would not be in your best interest. Conversely, being prepared for self defense is personally beneficial when confronted by a threat.

Why does the UN (an entity without an electorate, tax base, armed forces, embassies etc.) want to reach into a sovereign America and take away an innate, natural and pre-existing Constitutional right from an American exercising that right in America? How does an American exercising any right (free speech/religion/anti-self-incrimination, etc) threaten the UN?

Truly curious. What are your rights and what is(are) the source(s) of your rights? Mine can be found in Nature and in the U.S. Federal and State Constitutions.

The UN is really inimical to the U.S. We should view it as "them" rather than "us" and end our membership in it and financial support of it. That's been true since it was founded. The League of Nations that preceded it didn't work out any better. And, Zod, I wonder why you think insults make your argument stronger?

Originally Posted by fmw

The UN is really inimical to the U.S. We should view it as "them" rather than "us" and end our membership in it and financial support of it. That's been true since it was founded. The League of Nations that preceded it didn't work out any better. And, Zod, I wonder why you think insults make your argument stronger?

Because the debate broke down and i lost patience with bigots and racists.

These intolerant idiots who brandish every member of the UN, 200+ nations that make up the 6 billion people on this planet. All for some jingositic nationalistic nazi like view of america and guns.

Originally Posted by GeneralZod

Because the debate broke down and i lost patience with bigots and racists.

These intolerant idiots who brandish every member of the UN, 200+ nations that make up the 6 billion people on this planet. All for some jingositic nationalistic nazi like view of america and guns.

My post above? Is intolerant? What's that term or phrase used to designate that particular person who in a passionate discussion likes to point out how the other postition is akin to Nazism? Can somebody help out an old Deutsch-Partei Mitglied ?

Anyway...

I get that you're all frustrated and feeling unappreciated but why does one specific country's freedom, liberty, right to a tool raise your ire? How does it directly, negatively affect you?

Peace is best insured when negotiated or established from a position of strength. One WWII military officer in the Japanese armed forces knew it would be futile, suicidal even, to invade America. He believed that if Japan did they would find an armed American behind every blade of grass. Just the thought of what might be found in the way of armed Americans kept that country safe from an aggressor. If it works this way between nations why would it be so different between individuals?

I was amused to read the UN wants us to give the country back to the native Americans...I figure i will consider that right after when the UN gives the USA back Turtle Bay.

Originally Posted by JIMV

I was amused to read the UN wants us to give the country back to the native Americans...I figure i will consider that right after when the UN gives the USA back Turtle Bay.

Maybe we can sell it for some colored beads and dump this mess on them before they have a chance to change their mind! Seriously I think Native Americans are smarter than to get suckered into that deal. I remember the song lyrics "Everybody wants to rule the world" I think it could accurately be said "everybody in the world wants to rule America"...at least until we self-destruct.

Originally Posted by DixNickson

My post above? Is intolerant? What's that term or phrase used to designate that particular person who in a passionate discussion likes to point out how the other postition is akin to Nazism? Can somebody help out an old Deutsch-Partei Mitglied ?

Anyway...

I get that you're all frustrated and feeling unappreciated but why does one specific country's freedom, liberty, right to a tool raise your ire? How does it directly, negatively affect you?

Peace is best insured when negotiated or established from a position of strength. One WWII military officer in the Japanese armed forces knew it would be futile, suicidal even, to invade America. He believed that if Japan did they would find an armed American behind every blade of grass. Just the thought of what might be found in the way of armed Americans kept that country safe from an aggressor. If it works this way between nations why would it be so different between individuals?

Hmm i think i need to apologise. At the time i maybe misread? That america wanted to force the UN to push guns on the worlds population. Which did seem kind of nazi.

So this is the UN restricting guns in the usa?