USA IS the most violent nation. Of course there's more homicides here per year.

Criminals aren't afraid of getting caught because prison is just another place to make contacts and beef up while getting free room and board. It's just a part of their life, comes and goes, avoid it when they can, use it to their advantage when they couldn't.

If we had harsher, much harsher, punishment for law breakers there would be a drop in crime rates, guaranteed.

Example: There's 10,000 thieves in a single city (just for easy math) and let's say that the penalty for getting caught stealing was getting a finger cut off. In one month's time let's say 3,000 of them got caught, and had a finger cut off. All of their thieving friends see their buddies with one missing finger.

How many thefts are there the next month?

America is violent cause we don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the criminals. They're just another form of profit for the government.

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Does the overwhelming absurdity of this line of reasoning ever weigh in upon you in your quiet moments? It was a reach in Madison's time; It's ridiculous now.

Do you actually believe that the powers that be are intimated by the largely untrained and totally disorganized gun owners in this country?

When they have at their disposal local police forces, State police forces, sheriffs' officers, the National Guard; all highly trained and with lots of fire power. And looming in the background the U.S. military.

And who would organize, muster, and lead these stalwart, gun owning citizens if they felt the need to move against their government?

As for me, I think I'll depend on the checks and balances the founders built in to our system of government. They've worked pretty well for over 200 years.

Heres a quote:

"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant."

John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty."

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I'm not sure what you mean by absurd. It's an absolute truth. Whether or not it's relevant to the current situation is what we're getting to the base of, but regardless, no people should fear their government, and a government, being derived of the people, should be wary of getting out of line.

No, they're not scared of the individuals, they are scared of the individuals grouping together and making a stand as one people. That is also why they try to quell that day for as long as possible. They know it's inevitable; they just want to make sure they have all their new bills in place, so they can throw martial law in our faces. Remember Nazi Germany.

I would.

So would any of the hundreds of other militia members I know.

If you choose to sit back and let the government take over, that's your prerogative as an American and as a human. But to assume that everyone else is going to bend over so they have easy access to rape us is just foolish.

I understand where you come from Drake, I really do. Until 9/11 I was pretty much just like you, "Ah, the government screws up but they're just trying to fix stuff." Afterwards, the events of 9/11 made me take a closer look at the how's and why's of what happened.

I have concluded that this evidence is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing, and all attempts made by people with more connections than me to get answers have been altogether ignored. Evidence + denial = More questions for a tight case.

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It's working pretty good in Iraq! It's difficult at best to get local police forces, State police forces, sheriffs' officers, the National Guard; all highly trained and with lots of fire power to move violently against their friends and neighbors, hence the problems the Iraqi Police force is encountering.

The experiences of the people of Myanmar should be a sobering lesson of a government run amok.

It takes exactly one accurate shot to kill any given member of the government. Presidents have been assassinated in the past. Security is good, most assassination attempts will end in failure, but it only takes one success.

How old was Germany when their system failed? When was their last reorganization prior to Nazis taking power? 1871? That wasn’t enough time to prove a perfect system, why do you think 200 years is? Laws are simply rules; without some form of power to back them up rules are simply guidelines.

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That's a great quote. I'd be nice if our government would follow those guidelines.

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Not really...

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I would Tarja...among other things...

Making more gun laws only makes these matters far worse. It won't stop crime or school shootings. Making guns easier to access will reduce crime and preserve life and promoting gun safety and training would help with the very minute problem of kids hurting themselves.

America is crime ridden the only way to make it safe is to have everyone who can carry a gun carry one and to carry it everywhere they go.