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Old 05-04-2008, 02:51 AM
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Making more gun laws only makes these matters far worse. It won't stop crime or school shootings. Making guns easier to access will reduce crime and preserve life and promoting gun safety and training would help with the very minute problem of kids hurting themselves.

America is crime ridden the only way to make it safe is to have everyone who can carry a gun carry one and to carry it everywhere they go.
But if you take away guns, don't you eliminate school shootings? Don't you eliminate crime, or a lot of it?
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But if you take away guns, don't you eliminate school shootings? Don't you eliminate crime, or a lot of it?
No with america and guns the thing is that there are millions in circulation and the majority are unregistered gun control works to put limits on people who spend the time to register there gun and actualy obey the law.

So gun control has the very nasty habit of only taking guns out of people who don't want to commit crime and don't want to shoot anybody. The people who only keep them to defend themselves from burglers and rapists and thugs and so on.

The trick is criminals HATE it when citizens have guns they walk into somebodys house or attack someone or try to force themselves on a woman and there at risk of getting shot! so guns are actualy a powerful deterent for crime.

Thats why we get the enigma in america (also in other countrys aswell) were if we ease the gun control and let people have guns the crime rates drop and everyone becomes safer. And when we put on gun control murder and assault increase.

Thats the real problem in society is that guns arn't seen as a tool for good but something that should be removed.

Id recomend looking into it a bit more there are some fasinating statistics and evidence out there.
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Here's something i read a while ago:

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/...4-2-Screen.pdf

This will give you a good insight don't worry if it seems hard to swallow at first our society seems to look at guns with hate almost religiously.
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But if you take away guns, don't you eliminate school shootings? Don't you eliminate crime, or a lot of it?
You can not get rid of all the guns. Can't do it, it is impossible As long as there is one gun out there, the criminal will find a way to get his hands on it.

As long as criminals and the government (or any other government) has guns, so should I.

If banning guns worked then you would have seen a drop in the numbers of handguns used in crime in DC. There has been no such drop.
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Here's something i read a while ago:

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/...4-2-Screen.pdf

This will give you a good insight don't worry if it seems hard to swallow at first our society seems to look at guns with hate almost religiously.
A very good and informative link. Everything I read there matches up pretty well with the statistics we have gathered over the years.
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But if you take away guns, don't you eliminate school shootings? Don't you eliminate crime, or a lot of it?
Virginia Tech has a no gun policy. It resulted in dozens of sitting ducks being murdered. If even one person other than the psychopath had a gun, there would have probably been only 2 deaths. Virginia Tech also illustrated how useless the police are for protection in such moments.
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The second amendment doesn't granted us or give us the right to bear arms.

It is there as a safeguard from the government and telling the government that they must protect that right.

Government doesn't grant rights.
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The second amendment doesn't granted us or give us the right to bear arms.

It is there as a safeguard from the government and telling the government that they must protect that right.

Government doesn't grant rights.
That depends on how you look at it.
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That depends on how you look at it.
No it doesn't.

No human or group of humans can grant another group of humans or individual rights.
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No it doesn't.

No human or group of humans can grant another group of humans or individual rights.
Like I said, it depends on how you look at it.

You have the human right to defend yourself.

The second amendment secures the right to keep and bear arms so you can better protect yourself.

There is a bit of a difference there friend.
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