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Old 04-03-2008, 07:55 AM
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The "militia" argument is silly - the Bill of Rights represents prerogatives of individuals as a defense against government power. (Go read them.) To interpret the Second Amendment as merely allowing the establishment of a militia, a government entity, stands this on its head.
Not to mention that the possession of a firearm may come in handy when faced with a criminal intent on doing harm to you, your family or your property. Is there anyone who would seriously consider taking away our choice of method for defending ourselves against individuals with nefarious intentions?
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And to anyone that even tries to say that the founding fathers did not intend it to mean the people. All you have to do is look at some of their direct quotes to see where they stood on the issue. Here let us look at a few.

Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly's reply to the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

Thomas Jefferson: "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes....Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in Chapter 40 of "On Crimes and Punishment", 1764.

Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers, 334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

Thomas Jefferson: "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

Thomas Jefferson: "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."

John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)
George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46)

Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights: "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."

Now I agree that the right to self defense is not one that must be put on paper, as it is a God given right to every person. The Second Amendment simply secures that right in law. But idiots with agendas will add their own interpretation to the law.


From reading these quotes, do you honestly think that they meant for the Second Amendment to only apply to militias?
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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

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Is there anyone who would seriously consider taking away our choice of method for defending ourselves against individuals with nefarious intentions?
Yes, they are called 'liberals'.....and 'progressives'.....and 'socialists'......and 'commies'....and 'nazis'.....and 'democrats'.... they're all the same.
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Is there anyone who would seriously consider taking away our choice of method for defending ourselves against individuals with nefarious intentions?
Dude. You need to get out more and talk to some people who aren't republicans.

Or unignore the democrats etc on this forum.
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Dude. You need to get out more and talk to some people who aren't republicans.

Or unignore the democrats etc on this forum.
Why? That is basically what a lot of Dems are trying to do.
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Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?
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Why? That is basically what a lot of Dems are trying to do.
I know. That's what I meant. Or did you just quote the wrong post?
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No I quoted the right post. But when I read his post, I read it as a question to the posters of the forum.

As you know a lot of the anti gun dems on the forum would. That is what I meant.

Speaking of which, did you ever decide on a firearm for yourself?
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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

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It appears obvious that the world is a different place now then it was in the 18th century, when the Second Amendment, allowing the right to bear arms, was introduced.

The phrase, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" seems to be the most misunderstood and misinterpreted phrase of modern times.

Personally, I believe that currently, a well regulated militia is not necessary, which invalidates the content of the amendment. The need to have a firearm in modern day times seems ridiculous to me.
You would rather have the goverment and criminals be the only gun owners? Your out of your mind!
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You would rather have the goverment and criminals be the only gun owners? Your out of your mind!
I agree.

And just to tick off the anti gunners.

I made another purchase today.

Taurus Model 617, Titanium.

Boy is she pretty.
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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

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