heh you army to the core.


When I was like 7 or 8 years old I declared war on a giant colony of red ants in my gramp's property. After much trial and error with various flammable substances, I was eventually victorious and destroyed the ant hill after a couple of weeks of intensive napalm bombing.

Gramps was not amused.




edit oh and then there was the time I had the red ant colony and black ant colony go to war against each other. That was fun to watch. Except all the blacks ants got destroyed after awhile, so no more fun.... which come to think of it was why I then declared war on the red ants and nuked their colony.

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"When I'm in command, every mission is a suicide mission!" -Capt. Zapp Branigan

LOL. Ant wars were always fun.

But getting back on topic. A big problem with the whole gun control deal is education. Take the whole banning of .50 cal rifles in Cali. It was banned because people simply do not understand the weapon. They think it can do things that it simply can not. It will not shoot through a bank vault, it will not remove limbs by a near miss, it does not blow people in half, it does not remove limbs they way depicted in the movies, it will not take down a rotary wing aircraft with one shot (hell it does no better job of this than a .300 winmag). They did not and do not understand it, and people fear what they do not understand.

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The National Science Foundation announced the following study results on U.S. military recreation preferences:
1. Sport of choice for Marines: bowling.
2. Sport of choice for Sailors: football.
3. Sport of choice for Soldiers: baseball.
4. Sport of choice for Coast Guardsmen: tennis.
5. Sport of choice for Airmen: golf.
Notice how the farther down the list you go, the smaller their balls get.

Why do I own a gun? Cuz a corkscrew isn't as menacing, and a nuke seems a bit overboard for my needs! Besides did ya ever try and clean a deer when it's been nuked?

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Fair enough, but the Barrett (for example) *does* have an effective range of 1500 meters, and can penetrate brick, body armor and bulletproof glass. I'm not saying that means it should be banned -- especially given its drawbacks, like weight, size and price -- but it is certainly a powerful weapon in a class by itself. If we agree that machineguns and grenade launchers can be heavily regulated, one can at least make the argument that .50-caliber sniper rifles deserve some scrutiny.

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I'm 20 pounds overweight and have no interest in devoting months and years learning martial arts.

Much easier just to use a handgun for personal defense.

I could see that, if the .50 were something special. It is not. There are a lot of weapons out there that can defeat Level IV body armor. The SASR (Special Application Scoped Rifle) is not a sniper rifle, and can not be classified as one because it does not and can not hold less than one MOA, While you can hit large targets out to 1800 meters, your pattern is 45 inches across because it only holds a 2.5 MOA group (that is why they call it an area target). Firing standard ball it fails to penetrate 1 inch mild steel 8 times out of 10 at 70 meters, and generally will not punch through Level V ballistic glass inside of 50 m (that ballistics glass you saw it shoot through on the MythBusters was Level III glass). Can you get HEAIP (MK 211 MOD0) rounds for it? Yes, but it is subject to BATF class III restrictions just like 40mm grenades are. Same with its AP and API cousins. It is not the magical weapon everyone makes it out to be.

Also it is in the same class of weapons as all the long range big bore weapons. And like all of those weapons smaller than 20mm, it is classified as small arms.

But yeah, arguments have been made against it. If we would stop concentrating on taking guns out of the hands of honest people, and started focusing on making the laws that we already have work. The laws that keep them out of the hands of the bad guys then we would not have to worry about all this stupid stuff.

Even if you are a martial arts expert, your hands do nothing to win a fight when the bad guy is armed and he stands 10 feet away from you.

Dogs are not the best either. They are ok, but not as your primary means of defense.

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The National Science Foundation announced the following study results on U.S. military recreation preferences:
1. Sport of choice for Marines: bowling.
2. Sport of choice for Sailors: football.
3. Sport of choice for Soldiers: baseball.
4. Sport of choice for Coast Guardsmen: tennis.
5. Sport of choice for Airmen: golf.
Notice how the farther down the list you go, the smaller their balls get.

In any territory/state, is there a mandatory OR optional gun education system?

It depends on the state. Some require a weapon's safety course just to buy, some states do not require one for a CCW. Most states require a hunter's safety course to get a hunting license.

Many states see it like this. Owning a firearm is a right, driving is not. You can force someone to take a class for a privilege, you can not force someone to take a class when it is a right. You do not force people to take classes to become parents do you?

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The National Science Foundation announced the following study results on U.S. military recreation preferences:
1. Sport of choice for Marines: bowling.
2. Sport of choice for Sailors: football.
3. Sport of choice for Soldiers: baseball.
4. Sport of choice for Coast Guardsmen: tennis.
5. Sport of choice for Airmen: golf.
Notice how the farther down the list you go, the smaller their balls get.

Some States require some form of 'education' in order to obtain a 'Carry Permit'. In Tennessee it's a couple hours on a Saturday. There are no educational requirements for gun ownership.

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ROFLMNAO... now friends, this is the sort of hysterical sarcasm that tickles me to know end.

If you walked into this person's house, walked over to his fridge, helped yourself to his baloney and Coke; then walked over and through his slack jawed @$$ out of his chair... he'd be the first to call a cop, who would come a runnin' with gun on hip to defend him and if that Cop used that gun to rid his home of that intruded, he'd be all 'Thank you sir, I just couldn't belive it. He came walkiing in and jus thlped himself...'

These people of course have conceded their responsibility to defend themselves to the state, on the false assumption that the state has the responsibility to defend them.

FACT: The state doesn't have the responsibility to defend you. PERIOD.

The courts have made this clear... There is no obligatiob on the part of law enforcement to protect your life or the life of your family. PERIOD.

Law Enforcement is a reactive force, whose job it is to track down the person that violated a law and bring them to justice. This in NO WAY obligates them to defend you at any time. It's not their job to risk their lives to defend ANY OF YOU. Granted many do... but that is a function of the individual cop and the freakish nature of timing.

Of course in most circumstances, the Police are no where near a person being mugged, or who is having their home invaded... thus it is up to the individual to provide for their own defense.

Now in terms of defense, there is better means to defend ones self than through the use of a weapon which will rip the internal organs of the oppressor into shreds, causing catastrophic loss of blood and imminent death.

In reading some of the points, it's clear that some feel themselves capable of physically defending against an oppressor without the use of a fire arm... Bravo to your bad @$$. Sadly it's irrelevant. Your physical (albeit delusional) means to physically beat down an oppressor do not come into play when it comes to my right to own and use a fire arm in defense of my life and property.

If you don't take your responsibility to defend your life sersiously... fine. Odd are its not worth protecting anyway. But don't for a moment think you're idiocy is going to infringe on my rights. We're heavily armed and well trained in the use of those fire arms; breakin's at this house, are final.