Gun talk split out of the member pictures thread.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by C-D-P

I have experienced that with my .45 as well, if you have a range that lets you rent weapons try it out. You will find that the .45 is more of a push instead of a snap as far as recoil.

There has been talk about the DoD going back to a .45, but in all honesty I do not see it happening. MARSOC runs .45 because we regularly run our weapons suppressed, to get all the suppression you can, you need a subsonic ammo. .45 ball is already subsonic, so we do not have a loss in lethality. Where as with 9mm at supersonic you still get the supersonic snap after the projectile leaves the barrel.

But we do not really run suppressors to be stealthy. We do it more for command and control purposes, and because it reduces recoil. Makes it easier to communicate with each other. Suppressors do not sound like they do in the movies.

IF the DoD does change rounds for pistol, I would be willing to bet that they go with a .40.

Here is a suppressed M4

YouTube - Suppressed M4
If you listen carefully you will hear the supersonic crack (the pinging sound is because he is shooting at a steel target). You could run subsonic ammo, but you would loose a lot of lethality, and a lot of range.

5.56 gets its lethality because all spitzer type projectile (any projectile that is longer than it is wide) will yaw in the target, because of the high muzzle velocity you get core separation when talking about 5.56. The wound channel is actually larger for 5.56x45 than 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (NATO) because of this.

M855 ball in 5.56


7.62x39 Russian lead core coper jacket.


Now if the 5.56 hits the target slower than 2400 fps then it will not fragment. That is why subsonic in 5.56 is not a good thing.

LOL. Notice the habitual search and access after he is done firing.

[C-D-P]

Originally Posted by Toby

LOL. Notice the habitual search and access after he is done firing.

Someone has done the Emark training package I see.

[raytri]

I'm lost. Either of you care to explain the references?

[C-D-P]

Originally Posted by raytri

I'm lost. Either of you care to explain the references?

Search and assess is to check the targets (eye muzzle target) once you are done shooting. In the vid with the suppressed M4 you should notice he swept the targets with his head eyes and weapon after he finished firing (you will see the weapon sway from one side to the other, then back again,). You are searching your field of fire, and assessing any additional threats.

Emark (Enhanced Marksmanship program) something we teach in the Corps on tactical shooting.

But once again, we have gone to talking about firearms. Sorry guys.

[JLB]

Originally Posted by C-D-P

Colt with a double stack.

I do believe you made a mistake. That's a Kimber, not a Colt. Colts don't have those slide serrations, and those are Kimber sights and beavertail.

It looks like a stainless Ultra-Carry.

Nice holster, and nice wife, btw...

[C-D-P]

Originally Posted by JLB

I do believe you made a mistake. That's a Kimber, not a Colt. Colts don't have those slide serrations, and those are Kimber sights and beavertail.

It looks like a stainless Ultra-Carry.

Nice holster, and nice wife, btw...

All 1911s have em, and unless I am seriously mistaken, Kimber does not make a stainless Ultra carry. Also, Ultra carry is a 3 inch. The weapon you see on my wife's hip is most certainly a full sized gun.

Thanks for the compliment on her though.

[Herkdriver]

Originally Posted by JLB

I do believe you made a mistake. That's a Kimber, not a Colt. Colts don't have those slide serrations, and those are Kimber sights and beavertail.

It looks like a stainless Ultra-Carry.

Nice holster, and nice wife, btw...

I'm not a gun expert by any means, but I'm pretty sure Colts have slide serrations, sir.

[JLB]

Originally Posted by C-D-P

All 1911s have em, and unless I am seriously mistaken, Kimber does not make a stainless Ultra carry. Also, Ultra carry is a 3 inch. The weapon you see on my wife's hip is most certainly a full sized gun.

Thanks for the compliment on her though.

No slight intended. I'm a major gun collector, and have been shooting competitively for decades..Here's a Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry:


When you say "full sized", that would mean a 5" 1911. That is at most a 4" pistol.

The grips on the weapon on your wife's hip also came standard on the 3" Kimber Ultra Carry, which was a limited run pistol.

[C-D-P]

Originally Posted by JLB

No slight intended. I'm a major gun collector, and have been shooting competitively for decades..Here's a Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry:

Well Ill be dammed. Cool. Still not her piece.

Originally Posted by JLB

That is at most a 4" pistol.

If you are talking about her piece being a 4" then negative. Also, note the double stacked mag. That is not a Kimber Ultra Carry.

The grips on the weapon on your wife's hip also came standard on the 3" Kimber Ultra Carry, which was a limited run pistol.

After factory grips.

[JLB]

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

I'm not a gun expert by any means, but I'm pretty sure Colts have slide serrations, sir.

Well, I am a gun expert, and that weapon has Kimber sights, a Kimber beavertail, Kimber style slide serrations, Kimber ambi safety, and grips off of a limited run Kimber.

That means it's probably a Kimber.

Here is my custom Colt Delta, and you can see the slide serrations are thinner than on a Kimber, and there are more of them.



Kimber for comparison: