Gun talk split out of the member pictures thread.

[C-D-P]

Originally Posted by Illyrian Princess

Is this thread of member pictures or animals?

Well, umm, we are animals right!

Ok, ok, here one sapient animal for ya.


My wife and her open carry piece.

[Herkdriver]

Originally Posted by C-D-P

Well, umm, we are animals right!

Ok, ok, here one sapient animal for ya.


My wife and her open carry piece.

Smith & Wesson?

Doesn't seem to be a standard magazine? Is that the 12 round clip?

[C-D-P]

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

Smith & Wesson?

Colt with a double stack.

[Herkdriver]

Originally Posted by C-D-P

Colt with a double stack.

Colt.

I should've known that.

fine choice in weaponry

I have a Springfield XD in .40 caliber.

I like the Sig's, but at 900 bucks, a bit out of my budget

[C-D-P]

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

Colt.

I should've known that.

fine choice in weaponry

Yes, yes you should have, and I am very disappointed

It is a good piece.

I have a Springfield XD in .40 caliber.

Good piece. .40 is a good round. But I prefer .45. Although, two in the chest from a .40 will hurt ya pretty good.

I like the Sig's, but at 900 bucks, a bit out of my budget

Ive never fired a Sig (but I have heard some good stuff about em). As I said before, I run a Kimber Custom Covert II in .45, it is very similar to our ICQB pistols that we carry. So I do not have to worry about switching styles and what not. It works for me. Crystal (the wife) is working on getting her CCW and decided to go with a Glock 36.

Below is something for everyone's edification.



You may notice that the wound channels for the .357 and the .45 are almost identical, and some would say that the .357 is slightly larger, but as the .357 is what you could call a high pressure round, it makes follow on shots more difficult than the low pressure .45. A good HP like Federal HST in .40 does really well also. Please ignore the light red, that is the temporary cavity, temporary cavities do not wound you, pay attention to the black, that is the final cavity.

Look at the 165 gr .40. The reason the black is so large is because the they got complete core seperation. That is not something that will happen all the time.

[Herkdriver]

Originally Posted by C-D-P

Yes, yes you should have, and I am very disappointed

It is a good piece.



Good piece. .40 is a good round. But I prefer .45. Although, two in the chest from a .40 will hurt ya pretty good.



Ive never fired a Sig (but I have heard some good stuff about em). As I said before, I run a Kimber Custom Covert II in .45, it is very similar to our ICQB pistols that we carry. So I do not have to worry about switching styles and what not. It works for me. Crystal (the wife) is working on getting her CCW and decided to go with a Glock 36.

Below is something for everyone's edification.


You may notice that the wound channels for the .357 and the .45 are almost identical, and some would say that the .357 is slightly larger, but as the .357 is what you could call a high pressure round, it makes follow on shots more difficult than the low pressure .45. A good HP like Federal HST in .40 does really well also. Please ignore the light red, that is the temporary cavity, temporary cavities do not wound you, pay attention to the black, that is the final cavity.

Look at the 165 gr .40. The reason the black is so large is because the they got complete core seperation. That is not something that will happen all the time.

My friend likes the .45 round also. He claims the lower velocity accounts for less recoil and a more accurate follow up shot. Interesting data on the .40 at 165 gr though. The Springfield I wanted for C/C only came in .40, but I've learned to love it. Rumor has it that the Services may ditch the 9mm M9 and opt for a .45 again.

[C-D-P]

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

My friend likes the .45 round also. He claims the lower velocity accounts for less recoil and a more accurate follow up shot. Interesting data on the .40 at 165 gr though. The Springfield I wanted for C/C only came in .40, but I've learned to love it. Rumor has it that the Services may ditch the 9mm M9 and opt for a .45 again.

I have experienced that with my .45 as well, if you have a range that lets you rent weapons try it out. You will find that the .45 is more of a push instead of a snap as far as recoil.

There has been talk about the DoD going back to a .45, but in all honesty I do not see it happening. MARSOC runs .45 because we regularly run our weapons suppressed, to get all the suppression you can, you need a subsonic ammo. .45 ball is already subsonic, so we do not have a loss in lethality. Where as with 9mm at supersonic you still get the supersonic snap after the projectile leaves the barrel.

But we do not really run suppressors to be stealthy. We do it more for command and control purposes, and because it reduces recoil. Makes it easier to communicate with each other. Suppressors do not sound like they do in the movies.

IF the DoD does change rounds for pistol, I would be willing to bet that they go with a .40.

Here is a suppressed M4

YouTube - Suppressed M4

If you listen carefully you will hear the supersonic crack (the pinging sound is because he is shooting at a steel target). You could run subsonic ammo, but you would loose a lot of lethality, and a lot of range.

5.56 gets its lethality because all spitzer type projectile (any projectile that is longer than it is wide) will yaw in the target, because of the high muzzle velocity you get core separation when talking about 5.56. The wound channel is actually larger for 5.56x45 than 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (NATO) because of this.

M855 ball in 5.56


7.62x39 Russian lead core coper jacket.


Now if the 5.56 hits the target slower than 2400 fps then it will not fragment. That is why subsonic in 5.56 is not a good thing.

[frodly]

Originally Posted by C-D-P

I have experienced that with my .45 as well, if you have a range that lets you rent weapons try it out. You will find that the .45 is more of a push instead of a snap as far as recoil.

There has been talk about the DoD going back to a .45, but in all honesty I do not see it happening. MARSOC runs .45 because we regularly run our weapons suppressed, to get all the suppression you can, you need a subsonic ammo. .45 ball is already subsonic, so we do not have a loss in lethality. Where as with 9mm at supersonic you still get the supersonic snap after the projectile leaves the barrel.

But we do not really run suppressors to be stealthy. We do it more for command and control purposes, and because it reduces recoil. Makes it easier to communicate with each other. Suppressors do not sound like they do in the movies.

IF the DoD does change rounds for pistol, I would be willing to bet that they go with a .40.

Here is a suppressed M4

YouTube - Suppressed M4
If you listen carefully you will hear the supersonic crack (the pinging sound is because he is shooting at a steel target). You could run subsonic ammo, but you would loose a lot of lethality, and a lot of range.

5.56 gets its lethality because all spitzer type projectile (any projectile that is longer than it is wide) will yaw in the target, because of the high muzzle velocity you get core separation when talking about 5.56. The wound channel is actually larger for 5.56x45 than 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (NATO) because of this.

M855 ball in 5.56


7.62x39 Russian lead core coper jacket.


Now if the 5.56 hits the target slower than 2400 fps then it will not fragment. That is why subsonic in 5.56 is not a good thing.

I have never done this before, but will you please take this gun crap out of this thread! If the 2 of you want to talk about guns, start a new thread about guns! I don't mean to be rude, just telling you how I feel!

[Herkdriver]

Originally Posted by C-D-P

I have experienced that with my .45 as well, if you have a range that lets you rent weapons try it out. You will find that the .45 is more of a push instead of a snap as far as recoil.

There has been talk about the DoD going back to a .45, but in all honesty I do not see it happening. MARSOC runs .45 because we regularly run our weapons suppressed, to get all the suppression you can, you need a subsonic ammo. .45 ball is already subsonic, so we do not have a loss in lethality. Where as with 9mm at supersonic you still get the supersonic snap after the projectile leaves the barrel.

But we do not really run suppressors to be stealthy. We do it more for command and control purposes, and because it reduces recoil. Makes it easier to communicate with each other. Suppressors do not sound like they do in the movies.

IF the DoD does change rounds for pistol, I would be willing to bet that they go with a .40.

Here is a suppressed M4

If you listen carefully you will hear the supersonic crack (the pinging sound is because he is shooting at a steel target). You could run subsonic ammo, but you would loose a lot of lethality, and a lot of range.

5.56 gets its lethality because all spitzer type projectile (any projectile that is longer than it is wide) will yaw in the target, because of the high muzzle velocity you get core separation when talking about 5.56. The wound channel is actually larger for 5.56x45 than 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (NATO) because of this.

M855 ball in 5.56

7.62x39 Russian lead core coper jacket.

Now if the 5.56 hits the target slower than 2400 fps then it will not fragment. That is why subsonic in 5.56 is not a good thing.

I will forgo all knowledge of ballistics to you sir.
Driving a bird with no armament aside from IR CM Flares and chaff, we resorted to creative measures in terms of attack capabilities.

[Tedminator]

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

I will forgo all knowledge of ballistics to you sir.
Driving a bird with no armament aside from IR CM Flares and chaff, we resorted to creative measures in terms of attack capabilities.

LMAO