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Old 04-17-2008, 03:54 AM
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For some reason you made me think of this story I read about this old lady in London, police found out she'd been carrying a hand grenade around in her handbag for protection. That'd cut crime.
LOL, wow. Just wow.
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Tons of crime occurs in non-gun free zones as well. Just because gun-free zones aren't 100% perfect doesn't mean they actually attract crime. Your arguement is just nonsense and has no evidence to back it up.
If i was a criminal and i wanted to mug someone were would i go? probable somewhere were theres no chance id get my frikin head blown off! What on earth makes you think that a gun free zone would prevent a criminal from keeping his gun? thats just insane!

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Anyways, people with "I am a gun owner signs" on their front lawn are much worse off than those with "gun free signs." What happens is the criminal sees that the person owns guns, and its easier to target them. He waits for him to leave his home, and then takes all of the guns. Want to become a black market supplier of guns, well then put up one of those signs.
Criminals have guns.. ALOT of guns are in circulation in America. The point of having a gun in your home or carrying one on you is to fend of criminals and America has alot of those in circulation aswell. Being afraid that one more criminal will be armed is a stupid reason to disarm all of there victims. In fact id call it completely retarted..

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I wouldn't go as far as to say an unarmed citizenry is a powerful attractent for tyrants. It obviously would be a factor, but if it is "powerful" like you say, then why hasn't totalitarian and authoratians regimes popped up after strict gun control has been implimented.
Gun control isn't strict but every day people are working hard to take away americans guns and leave them defenceless against criminals, other nations opposed to their lifestyle and even there own government..
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If i was a criminal and i wanted to mug someone were would i go? probable somewhere were theres no chance id get my frikin head blown off! What on earth makes you think that a gun free zone would prevent a criminal from keeping his gun? thats just insane!
Obviously gun-free zones are not going to affect criminals. But I highly doubt they make decisions on who to attack based on an area being a gun-free zone or not.

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Criminals have guns.. ALOT of guns are in circulation in America. The point of having a gun in your home or carrying one on you is to fend of criminals and America has alot of those in circulation aswell. Being afraid that one more criminal will be armed is a stupid reason to disarm all of there victims. In fact id call it completely retarted..
I would say its retarded to disarm everyone too. But its equally as retarded to identify your home as a source of guns.

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Gun control isn't strict but every day people are working hard to take away americans guns and leave them defenceless against criminals, other nations opposed to their lifestyle and even there own government..
Yea, but its good that people are allowed to voice there opinions about guns. That means democracy is alive and well. Anyways, not all gun control is about taking away guns, its about making gun owners and gun shops more responsible and accountable.
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Wildbore. Do you intentionally ignore things that do not fit into your point of view, or do you simply skip over them accidentally?

There are many examples of criminals targeting these gun free zones because they know honest people are not armed. One of which is in my post on the previous page.
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Obviously gun-free zones are not going to affect criminals. But I highly doubt they make decisions on who to attack based on an area being a gun-free zone or not.
Yes they do gun free zones only disarm those who don't wish to commit crime. It's dangerous and just plain stupid.

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I would say its retarded to disarm everyone too. But its equally as retarded to identify your home as a source of guns.
Keeping a gun in your house at the risk of it being stolen is a very small price to pay knowing it will be there to protect you when push comes to shove.

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Yea, but its good that people are allowed to voice there opinions about guns. That means democracy is alive and well. Anyways, not all gun control is about taking away guns, its about making gun owners and gun shops more responsible and accountable.
Its not very good when there opinions are based on not experience or research but what they see on the television and the news. Some Americans are lucky there right to bear is cemented in stone.
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Wildbore. Do you intentionally ignore things that do not fit into your point of view, or do you simply skip over them accidentally?

There are many examples of criminals targeting these gun free zones because they know honest people are not armed. One of which is in my post on the previous page.
University campuses are generally higher crime places to begin with. I don't think this has anything to do with them being gun free zones. Its just that younger people commit more crime, so your going to have more crime on university campuses where young people are concentrated.
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Yes they do gun free zones only disarm those who don't wish to commit crime. It's dangerous and just plain stupid.
They do disarm law-abiding people. Its not clear people in gun-free zones are targetted more often. Either way, property owners have to the right to make whatever rules they want on their own property, that right cannot be denied, even if you think its stupid and dangerous.

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Keeping a gun in your house at the risk of it being stolen is a very small price to pay knowing it will be there to protect you when push comes to shove.
Yea, it is a very small price to pay. I'm not argueing for people not to have guns, I'm just saying that its better to be discreet about it. Unless you want your house busted into of course.

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Its not very good when there opinions are based on not experience or research but what they see on the television and the news. Some Americans are lucky there right to bear is cemented in stone.
True, but blindly supporting the right to bear arms is just as bad as blindly supporting gun control. Whatever decision one chooses, he or she should be informed.
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I've had a sign in front of my house for the last couple years that says:

'Mexican Free Zone'......so far so good!
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University campuses are generally higher crime places to begin with. I don't think this has anything to do with them being gun free zones. Its just that younger people commit more crime, so your going to have more crime on university campuses where young people are concentrated.
A good number of the people that were mugging and beating people have been caught. They were not students and a good number of them were not kids (this does not mean that none of the ones that were doing it were not students, it just means that none of them have been caught), and they lived across town. They could have chosen to simply walk the streets instead of driving all the way out to the college, but they didn't. Wonder why?

Now look at colleges that are not gun free zones and compare them. I know that there will be some differences because they are in other parts of the country and what not, but you can get a decent idea.
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They do disarm law-abiding people. Its not clear people in gun-free zones are targetted more often. Either way, property owners have to the right to make whatever rules they want on their own property, that right cannot be denied, even if you think its stupid and dangerous.
It is dangerous and it is stupid. You should be able to carry your gun where ever you go.


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Yea, it is a very small price to pay. I'm not argueing for people not to have guns, I'm just saying that its better to be discreet about it. Unless you want your house busted into of course.
It is a very small price to pay.

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True, but blindly supporting the right to bear arms is just as bad as blindly supporting gun control. Whatever decision one chooses, he or she should be informed.
Not really. Choosing protection is the right choice no matter how you came too it.
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