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Old 04-24-2008, 04:13 AM
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Im sorry. I was reading article three wrong. My bad.
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Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

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Old 04-24-2008, 06:08 AM
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Excuse me but I don't remember the Second Amendment containing a limitation clause, just a qualification. Did I miss something on the end of "Shall not be infringed"?

Sorry CDP, liberty is an all or nothing game. You either have it or you don't. You want to limit rights based on past wrongs and Sarah Brady just wants limits.

When limits, even ones we like to call "common sense", start getting attached to rights you begin suffering from democracy - or tyranny of the majority as I like to call it
True restriction has a nature of adding more tape than removing it which leads to tyranny. Its safer to avoid it entirely.
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:10 AM
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As he said. Everyone is a collector. Now with this. I honestly do not have a problem with a collectors back ground check. It would not limit rights, but could limit mass buy for harm.
If you can pass a standard background check you can pass a collectors background check. Everyone could still just claim they are a collector.

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Nope, once they are deemed collectors, no more. That is another form of control.
When there is a suspicion people are growing weed in their house it can be searched. If there is a suspicion that a gun collector is selling his collection off his back porch to criminals, surely he can be inspected.

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I have only one hand gun registered. That is because to get my CCW while in the Corps. I have to register it on base so the command will sign off on the paperwork required by the LEO for my CCW. Technically I am supposed to register all firearms with base. Not going to happen.
Yea, but that only shows the its not an integrated system. In Canada, the guns are registered with the store, and then the registration is transfered to the person when the gun is sold. Its not like the gun is sold and the individual just registers it later whenever he feels like.



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Good for them. Cause that regestery is just stupid.
I agree that the long-gun registry is useless. I am a member of the Conservative party and donate each year.

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Not really. If they do not know who has them. Then they can not target people.
They can target CCW holders pretty easily. They can find out who has hunting licenses, those people probably own handguns. People already have to fill out tax forms for some weapons, those people are targets. They can have secret police watch gunshops and department stores to see whos buying ammo and get their license plate numbers. Confiscate sales records from gunshops.

It would be quite easy for someone to discreetly and gradually take away handguns, and other guns if they wished, from a huge number of people in your country.

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Right now they are. Maybe not so much tomorrow.
Parliamentary democracies are the best systems for resisting dictatorships because of the difficulty of centralizing power in the executive branch.

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Germany was also a parliamentary democracy when Hitler came to power in 1933.

It is possible.
Its very unlikely. The Canadian constitution is alot more rigid (entrenched rights and a strict amending formula) than the 1933 constitution that Hitler was operating under.
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What I dont understand is why those who are usually the most vocal about the right to bear arms are also usually the most vocal in other issues...

You know...Like supporting the Patriot Act, wanting to ban gay marriage, wanting Marijuana to stay illegal.

in other words your saying you dont trust the government and therefore you need guns to protect yourself from the govt (im in favor of the right to bear arms btw) however you then trust the government to wire tap, spy, and you invite them into the bedroom to tell people who they can and cant be with, and even trust them to say what we can and cant put into our bodies.

I mean no offense by this, but it just doesnt make any sense to me.
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What I dont understand is why those who are usually the most vocal about the right to bear arms are also usually the most vocal in other issues...

You know...Like supporting the Patriot Act, wanting to ban gay marriage, wanting Marijuana to stay illegal.

in other words your saying you dont trust the government and therefore you need guns to protect yourself from the govt (im in favor of the right to bear arms btw) however you then trust the government to wire tap, spy, and you invite them into the bedroom to tell people who they can and cant be with, and even trust them to say what we can and cant put into our bodies.

I mean no offense by this, but it just doesnt make any sense to me.

You forgot torture AKC. That seems to be all the rage in Washington these days.

OH, and unconstitutional wars with 3 trillion dollar price tags they don't seem willing to pay for.

Oh, and signing statements that exempts the executive branch from following the very law he just signed into law.

Oh, and on and on

You know whats funny, I like talk radio and listen to both sides, socialist and neo socialist , and they all want to claim Thomas Jefferson as their own - Yet Jefferson would shoot all of them
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What I dont understand is why those who are usually the most vocal about the right to bear arms are also usually the most vocal in other issues...

You know...Like supporting the Patriot Act, wanting to ban gay marriage, wanting Marijuana to stay illegal.
I don't support the patriot act and i do support gay marriage and marijuana is a bad thing!
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What I dont understand is why those who are usually the most vocal about the right to bear arms are also usually the most vocal in other issues...

You know...Like supporting the Patriot Act, wanting to ban gay marriage, wanting Marijuana to stay illegal.

in other words your saying you dont trust the government and therefore you need guns to protect yourself from the govt (im in favor of the right to bear arms btw) however you then trust the government to wire tap, spy, and you invite them into the bedroom to tell people who they can and cant be with, and even trust them to say what we can and cant put into our bodies.

I mean no offense by this, but it just doesnt make any sense to me.
It is funny, the other side of things is the same way on different issues. Now it is not about trusting or not trusting the government. Those that have guns because they fear a tyrannical power are not in fear of it from our current form of government. It is what could happen later. Many of the gun owners that I know do not own for this purpose. They own because they know that it will take me between fifteen and twenty minutes to get to their house if someone breaks in.
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Technically I am supposed to register all firearms with base. Not going to happen.
Lawbreaker ..tsk..tsk ..LOL
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I don't support the patriot act and i do support gay marriage and marijuana is a bad thing!
Marijuana is perfectly fine. It should be sold like cigarettes, given a sin tax, and made illegal to drive with while on the influence of it.

People who are scared of Marijuana have just boughten into the conservative rhetoric.

There are some perscription drugs more dangerous than Marijuana, yet we don't hear any outcry over those.
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Marijuana is perfectly fine. It should be sold like cigarettes, given a sin tax, and made illegal to drive with while on the influence of it.

People who are scared of Marijuana have just boughten into the conservative rhetoric.

There are some perscription drugs more dangerous than Marijuana, yet we don't hear any outcry over those.
I asked in another thread for someone to point me to a study that shows that marijuana is less harmful than cigarettes. Still waiting on a link. Can you provide one?
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