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Why is it that some people want to make pot legal but cigarettes illegal?
Because they're stoned?
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Why is it that some people want to make pot legal but cigarettes illegal?
It's because there stupid hippies who choose to ignore the health dangers of pot. Yet get really pissy whenever somebody lights up a smoke next to them..
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What I dont understand is why those who are usually the most vocal about the right to bear arms are also usually the most vocal in other issues...

You know...Like supporting the Patriot Act, wanting to ban gay marriage, wanting Marijuana to stay illegal.
Here is the most honest explanation of this perspective that I can give:

It has very little to do with trust, and a lot to do with distaste for government interference. They don't want the government to interfere in their lives. However, just like any other ideological social group, they only care about interference in THEIR lives. The ideology doesn't play out to mean "no government interference in human life in general." Their ideology focuses on their lives in particular.

They support the Partiot Act because it involves the government interfering in the lives of OTHER people. In this case, interference is not even a strong enough word for it.

They advocate against gay marriage because the vast majority of people aren't gay, and therefore it wouldn't affect the lives of the vast majority of people. People are willing to show their displeasure toward one specific OTHER lifestyle as long as legislation against it does not affect THEIR lifestyle.

The advocation of this ideological group for the maintenance of the illegal status of marijuana is also directly related to the fact that it does not affect the lives of the members of that group. Most people in the group who are of the age where they actually exercise their right to vote in significant numbers have given up a life involving marijuana, so making it illegal, and keeping it that way, doesn't affect THEIR lives.

In fact, when it comes to the Patriot Act and marijuana, most in the aforementioned group would actually claim that the implementation of the former and the criminalization of the latter actually makes THEIR lives BETTER.
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Prove it, show me some facts. Cause In that other thread there are references from studies that show they are worse.
Tobacco: 1.4 million DEATHS a year (not coughs or stinging throats)
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2006/...ing-study.html

In a Swedish study, researchers found no link between marijuana use among more than 45,000 male military conscripts, aged 18 to 20, and their death rates over the next 15 years.

Another study of 65,171 men and women enrolled in the Kaiser Permanente health plan found that, with the exception of AIDS patients, marijuana users were not more likely than others to die over a 10-year period.

"...evidence suggests smoking pot is much safer than smoking cigarettes..."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/4426.php

That was just the first stuff that came up on Google.
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Tobacco: 1.4 million DEATHS a year (not coughs or stinging throats)
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2006/...ing-study.html

In a Swedish study, researchers found no link between marijuana use among more than 45,000 male military conscripts, aged 18 to 20, and their death rates over the next 15 years.

Another study of 65,171 men and women enrolled in the Kaiser Permanente health plan found that, with the exception of AIDS patients, marijuana users were not more likely than others to die over a 10-year period.

"...evidence suggests smoking pot is much safer than smoking cigarettes..."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/4426.php

That was just the first stuff that came up on Google.
I asked for studies. Not news articles.

You reject news articles all the time. I asked for studies. Please try again.
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It is funny, the other side of things is the same way on different issues. Now it is not about trusting or not trusting the government. Those that have guns because they fear a tyrannical power are not in fear of it from our current form of government. It is what could happen later. Many of the gun owners that I know do not own for this purpose. They own because they know that it will take me between fifteen and twenty minutes to get to their house if someone breaks in.

Good post, I take it you are a Police Officer. My Dad is a retired police officer, and I always just like to say thank you when I talk to Cops. As a former Marine I feel that I have alot in common with police officers....You guys just get paid better. (lol).

back to your point though, I dont have any problem with people owning guns, I was just trying to make an example. I personally own a few guns myself.

The point I was trying to make though is that BOTH sides always make contradictory statements when it comes to the Government.

Conservatives act like large government is a bad thing...Yet they will listen to them when it comes to the most important of matters such as what medications you can and cant put into your body. Heck alot of Conservatives even let the government tell them what morals are and aren't good lol. The government decided that Marijuana is some evil Schedule I drug (I am studying for Pharmacy now, and Schedule I essentially means its grouped together with drugs such as Heroin and Cocaine...the very worst. To put into perspective how ludacris that is, Methamphetamines (crystal meth for instance) is a Schedule II drug...meaning the govt says its not as bad as Pot lol).

Liberals on the other hand say they want big government, yet they are the first ones to actually be suspicious of the government becoming a "dictatorship" or they are the first to get all upset when the government starts wire tapping, or they (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about the Patriot Act....Ummmmm what did you expect with such a large government?? lol.

Both sides are hypocrites when it comes to the government and I probably am as well. Ill flat out admit here that on social issues im very Liberal, so I see the Liberal point of view on this one, however Fiscally im mostly Conservative and I see that side as well.

I just think on this particular topic those on the Conservative side of the isle are being extremely hypocritical. The FACTS are out there concerning Marijuana use....YES it is bad for you, NO it has NEVER killed anyone. Therefore its not anywhere near as destructive as Alcohol or Tobacco use, yet they have listened to the government (who banned the substance because of MORAL reasons when people became less restrained and more vocal with their displeasure of the government) and then they just buy into all this government propaganda that it is some awful drug that will destroy this country when something like 75% of people in this country have already done it anyways lol.

Even a drug like MDMA (ecstacy) has gotten an unfair rap. The Medical Association wanted it kept LEGAL after extensive studies because they found it could be used in a very positive way to treat depression. For the first time in history the supreme court overruled them and made it illegal.....mostly because they didnt like the way people acted on it.

Now what you have is a drug on the streets that is being mixed with other drugs and it isnt nearly as safe as the pure form of MDMA was. Even then its not really killing anyone, but the effects on the brain are over 60 times worse than what they were before it was banned and these street dealers got their hands on it.

But when it comes to things that might interfere with "morals" those on the right will believe anything the government tells them.

I personally think the government needs to say out of anything having to do with Morals....but thats just my opinion. Liberals are also hypocrites, dont get me wrong. But on this issue I find those on the right to be ignoring ALOT of fact just so that they can keep morals in play.
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Good post, I take it you are a Police Officer. My Dad is a retired police officer, and I always just like to say thank you when I talk to Cops. As a former Marine I feel that I have alot in common with police officers....You guys just get paid better. (lol).
Well thank you for paying me better. But not by much.

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back to your point though, I dont have any problem with people owning guns, I was just trying to make an example. I personally own a few guns myself.

The point I was trying to make though is that BOTH sides always make contradictory statements when it comes to the Government.
I agree, which is why I do not subscribe to either side.

About drugs. I do not really have a problem with legalizing some drugs.

I like, C-D-P, just want to see these studies that everyone keeps talking about. Both he and I have asked several times for a link to them, but all we get in response are links to news articles, or pro pot websites that state the information may not be valid.
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Im not going to bother looking because I quite honestly am too lazy to do it right now lol.

I would argue though that if you look at the links and sources to most of these news stories you would probably find that they get their information from actual studies.
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Im not going to bother looking because I quite honestly am too lazy to do it right now lol.

I would argue though that if you look at the links and sources to most of these news stories you would probably find that they get their information from actual studies.
They say they do. That does not mean it is factual. None of the articles posted listed their sources.
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I asked for studies. Not news articles.

You reject news articles all the time. I asked for studies. Please try again.
My post cited 2 studies. In fact everything except the tobacco death stats came from those studies. I provided the links so it wouldn't look like I made it up. These studies are as credible as any put forth on the opposing side.
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