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Old 05-01-2008, 06:12 PM
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My post cited 2 studies. In fact everything except the tobacco death stats came from those studies. I provided the links so it wouldn't look like I made it up. These studies are as credible as any put forth on the opposing side.
No the pot one did not cite anything.

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It quickly referenced them but did not cite them. The first article did state where the information could be found. But we all know that a lot of people die from tobacco. There is no reference to tobacco being better or worse in that article. As fewer people smoke pot than smoke tobacco you would expect the numbers to be lower. Citing includes a reference to which exact study it came from.

You refuse articles that do not cite references all the time. I reserve the same right. Please give me the studies themselves.

Please post what has been stated. "Pot is less dangerous than cigarettes." If not please go on about your business.
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It quickly referenced them but did not cite them. The first article did state where the information could be found. But we all know that a lot of people die from tobacco. There is no reference to tobacco being better or worse in that article. As fewer people smoke pot than smoke tobacco you would expect the numbers to be lower. Citing includes a reference to which exact study it came from.

You refuse articles that do not cite references all the time. I reserve the same right. Please give me the studies themselves.

Please post what has been stated. "Pot is less dangerous than cigarettes." If not please go on about your business.
You want to pretend like the studies don't exist, fine. It doesn't help your case though. You have been able to provide zero evidence that marijuana has ANY inherent negative health effects. Therefore your opinion, which runs counter to conventional wisdom, fails to meet even a Prima Facie case. The "evidence" presented that marijuana is harmful (to include the "worse-than-lung-cancer" symptoms of coughs and itchy throats) is not evidence of that at all. It is evidence that smoke inhalation is inherently harmful. I know of no substance that is healthy to smoke. But you have confused the substance itself with the method of consumption, and transferred the ill effects of the method onto the substance. Find a case of pot brownies causing health problems, then you might have the beginnings of a case. Tobacco, by the way, causes CANCER and DEATH even in the chewing variety, so to prove pot is worse, you are going to need to find large numbers of people who died of pot. Good luck.
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You want to pretend like the studies don't exist, fine.
I am not pretending anything. I was told that studies existed that show how pot is less harmful than cigarettes. I asked to see those studies. Those studies have not been provided.

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It doesn't help your case though. You have been able to provide zero evidence that marijuana has ANY inherent negative health effects. Therefore your opinion, which runs counter to conventional wisdom, fails to meet even a Prima Facie case.
Conventional wisdom among whom?

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The "evidence" presented that marijuana is harmful (to include the "worse-than-lung-cancer" symptoms of coughs and itchy throats) is not evidence of that at all. It is evidence that smoke inhalation is inherently harmful. I know of no substance that is healthy to smoke. But you have confused the substance itself with the method of consumption, and transferred the ill effects of the method onto the substance. Find a case of pot brownies causing health problems, then you might have the beginnings of a case. Tobacco, by the way, causes CANCER and DEATH even in the chewing variety,
I have made no claims as to what is worse. You did, the burden of proof is on you.

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so to prove pot is worse, you are going to need to find large numbers of people who died of pot. Good luck.
You say there are studies that show pot is less harmful than cigarettes. Please show me these studies. I have made no claims, I am not required to prove anything. You made claims, therefor you are required to back your claim unless you do not want to prove your case.
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I have made no claims, I am not required to prove anything. You made claims, therefor you are required to back your claim unless you do not want to prove your case.
Not only an intellectually cowardly approach, but also disingenuous. You may not have made explicit claims, but your continued advocacy for the opposing position implies a counterclaim. If I say, "The sun comes up in the morning" and you say "huh-uh" , you have made an implied counterclaim that the sun does not come up in the morning.

Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer
http://www.thoracic.org/sections/pub...ng-cancer.html

This study conducted by the thoracic society and reported by the same thoracic society dismisses the only health risk that marijauna could possibly have which could compare to the proven cancer tobacco does cause.

You've probably heard of medical marijuana being prescribed by doctors. That is because it is medicine. Doctors never prescribe medical tobacco. Even more evidence...

Hopefully you will decide to bring more to the table than denial in the future.
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Not only an intellectually cowardly approach, but also disingenuous. You may not have made explicit claims, but your continued advocacy for the opposing position implies a counterclaim. If I say, "The sun comes up in the morning" and you say "huh-uh" , you have made an implied counterclaim that the sun does not come up in the morning.

Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer
http://www.thoracic.org/sections/pub...ng-cancer.html

This study conducted by the thoracic society and reported by the same thoracic society dismisses the only health risk that marijauna could possibly have which could compare to the proven cancer tobacco does cause.

You've probably heard of medical marijuana being prescribed by doctors. That is because it is medicine. Doctors never prescribe medical tobacco. Even more evidence...

Hopefully you will decide to bring more to the table than denial in the future.
Come off it. You did make the claim. You started the discussion. If somebody disagrees, it is your job to convince them. Explicit claims severely trump implicit claims.
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Not only an intellectually cowardly approach, but also disingenuous.
No not at all. I was asking for information. Nothing more.

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You may not have made explicit claims, but your continued advocacy for the opposing position implies a counterclaim. If I say, "The sun comes up in the morning" and you say "huh-uh" , you have made an implied counterclaim that the sun does not come up in the morning.
You assume that I was attempting to make a point. Several times on this forum I have said that there are some drugs that I believe should be made legal. You made a claim, and I expected you to back said claim. That is how things work.

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Study Finds No Link Between Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer
http://www.thoracic.org/sections/pub...ng-cancer.html
Well that is not exactly the study itself. But it will do. Thanks.

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You can take your foot out of your mouth now.
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