Is it just me? - Page 4

JLB · #31 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 09:07 PM

Btw, I want to relate the first time I took him to the range with real guns, on how I taught him respect for guns, and firearms safety. I had him with ear protection on shoot off some .22s so he would not fear the weapon, but then I took a watermelon out of the car and placed it about 15 feet away, and told him to remove his ear protection and stand behind me and to my right, so he could feel some, but not all of the blast concussion. I then proceeded to shoot one shot into the melon with my S&W .44 magnum Mountain Gun, and it blew the thing into mist. My wife said he jumped at least a foot off the ground, and the look on his face was that of fear and awe. That was exactly what I wanted to instill in him. If you don't respect the safe gun handling rules, even one time, your head could end up as mist in the wind. He's never touched a weapon when not in my prescence, although he can field strip to clean a Glock of an AR-15 in less than 30 seconds.

Wildbore · #32 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

No not really. 60% of weapons involved in crimes were purchased on the street or were stolen. 20% were purchased by a friend or family member from a gun store, 2% were from a flea market or gun show, and 12% were from places like pawn shops. I do not really have a problem with one gun a month, while allowing collectors to purchase more. But you are only working on one small part of the problem.

Yes, legitmate collectors should have the freedom to buy as many as they want.

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

Horrid idea. Do you know how easy it is to get that kind of information? Anyone with a computer and a bit of brains could figure it out. The government does not need to know what legal weapons I have.

Obviously its not that easy. Canada has had a handgun/restricted gun registry since 1934 and nothing bad has ever happened regarding it. Of all the Liberal and Socialist anti-gun governments since then, none have used it as a tool for consifcation. I think you are fear mongering more than anything.

For those 60% of guns that are stolen or bought off the streets, a registry would allow the police to return them to their rightful owners, instead of destroying them.
A registry would be useful for criminal investigations. If a person is selling his legal guns to criminals, you could nail him using the registry.

C-D-P · #33 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildbore

Obviously its not that easy. Canada has had a handgun/restricted gun registry since 1934 and nothing bad has ever happened regarding it. Of all the Liberal and Socialist anti-gun governments since then, none have used it as a tool for consifcation. I think you are fear mongering more than anything.

Yet, the key word is yet. This is not fear mongering, it is thinking ahead.

Now say the U.S. does implement these checks and balances. This is what will happen. The register happens, the gov knows all of the legal owners, and what they own. Crime still does not drop. Now they can easily just take all the citizens guns from them in hopes that lowers crime.

bugalugs · #34 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheChief

Makes me sad, can't practise with weapons like that in my country..

You have got to be kidding mate!

Those photos of kids with guns are just sickening. You probably should join your mad Seppo mates if you like that sort of crap.

That sort of nonsense is the last thing we need down here.

TheChief · #35 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

You have got to be kidding mate!

Those photos of kids with guns are just sickening. You probably should join your mad Seppo mates if you like that sort of crap.

That sort of nonsense is the last thing we need down here.

explain yourself, why is it sickening?

C-D-P · #36 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

You have got to be kidding mate!

Those photos of kids with guns are just sickening. You probably should join your mad Seppo mates if you like that sort of crap.

That sort of nonsense is the last thing we need down here.

A kid that knows and understands firearms is less likely to misuse one. Proper training will instill discipline. It will also make them respect the weapon.

There is nothing wrong with teaching kids about firearms. Maybe you would not fear them if your parents taught you about them when you were little.

JLB · #37 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildbore

Yes, legitmate collectors should have the freedom to buy as many as they want.

And why should collectors have more rights than the citizenry?

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Originally Posted by Wildbore

Obviously its not that easy. Canada has had a handgun/restricted gun registry since 1934 and nothing bad has ever happened regarding it. Of all the Liberal and Socialist anti-gun governments since then, none have used it as a tool for consifcation. I think you are fear mongering more than anything.

All of these bad laws happened, and the citizens could do nothing because the government knew who had the guns.

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The following is a summary of the history of gun control laws in Canada: [3][4]

The Criminal Code of Canada enacted in 1892, required individuals to have a permit to carry a pistol unless the owner had cause to fear assault or injury. It was an offence to sell a pistol to anyone under 16. Vendors who sold handguns had to keep records, including purchaser's name, the date of sale and a description of the gun.
In the 1920s, permits became necessary for all firearms newly acquired by foreigners.
Legislation in 1934 required the registration of handguns with records identifying the owner, the owner's address and the firearm. Registration certificates were issued and records kept by the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) or by other police forces designated by provincial Attorneys General.
In 1947, the offence of “constructive murder” was added to the Criminal Code for offences resulting in death, when the offender carried a firearm. This offence was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of Canada in a 1987 case called R. v. Vaillancourt
Automatic weapons were added to the category of firearms that had to be registered in 1951. The registry system was centralized under the Commissioner of the RCMP.
In 1969, Bill C-150 created categories of “non-restricted,” “restricted” and “prohibited” weapons. Police were also given preventive powers of search and seizure by judicial warrant if they had grounds to believe that weapons that belonged to an individual endangered the safety of society.
In 1977, Bill C-51 required Firearms Acquisition Certificates (FACs) for the acquisition (but not possession) of all firearms and introduced controls on the selling of ammunition. FAC applicants were required to pass a basic criminal record check before being issued an FAC. Fully automatic weapons were also prohibited.
In 1991, Bill C-17 tightened up restrictions and established controls on any firearms that had a military or paramilitary appearance. Legislation also made changes to the FAC system. FAC applicants were now required to pass a firearms safety course, pass a more thorough background check, and wait a minimum of 28 days aftering applying for an FAC before being issued one. Finally in addition to the above changes, laws were put into place that restricted ownership of high capacity magazines, limiting handguns to 10 rounds and most semi-automatic rifles to 5. The restrictions did not cover rimfire rifles or manual (e.g., bolt action rifles). Provinces have the choice to opt-out of this regulation.
In 1995, Bill C-68 introduced new, stricter, gun control legislation. The current legislation provides harsher penalties for crimes involving firearm use, licences to possess and acquire firearms, and registration of all firearms, including shotguns and rifles.[3] This legislation was upheld by the Supreme Court in Reference re Firearms Act (2000). The FAC system was replaced with Possession Only Licences (POLs) and Possession and Acquisition Licences (PALs). Referring to Bill C-68, John Dixon, a former advisor to Deputy Minister of Justice John C. Tait, stated that the Firearms Act was not public safety policy, but rather an election ploy by the Liberal Party of Canada intended to help defeat Prime Minister Kim Campbell.[5]
As of 2006, while legislation is still in place, the government is no longer asking long gun owners for a registration fee and an amnesty (in force until May 16, 200

temporarily protects licensed owners of non-restricted firearms (or those whose licences have expired since January 1, 2004) from prosecution for the possession of unregistered long guns.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada

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Originally Posted by Wildbore

For those 60% of guns that are stolen or bought off the streets, a registry would allow the police to return them to their rightful owners, instead of destroying them.
A registry would be useful for criminal investigations. If a person is selling his legal guns to criminals, you could nail him using the registry.

Individual police chiefs, however, have condemned the registry. Former RCMP Commissioner Norm Inkster stated in the National Post on 14 December 2004 that "the registry does little or nothing to help police link actual crimes to actual guns". Former Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino pointed out the registry hasn't helped Toronto police solve a single homicide and "has been of precious little help". Retired Assistant Commissioner Robert Head - a life member of the CACP - called the gun registry "the greatest waste of law enforcement funds that has ever been inflicted on the Canadian taxpayer". Borden-Carlton Police Chief Jamie Fox called the registry "...a massive waste of tax dollars that could have been spent on health care and other pressing social needs." London Police Chief Brian Collins said "It's such a disaster."

Police associations have also condemned the firearms registry. Sgt. Peter Ratcliff, as president of the Edmonton Police Association, described it as "... fraught with problems. It's taken too long, it's cost too much money, it's full of errors." The president of the Alberta Federation of Police Officers, Peter Kawalilak, said "It's a bad law, I'll say that right now." The President of the Calgary Police Association said the program has had no effect on crime and "Despite the money spent, it should be scrapped." Winnipeg Police Association president Loren Schinkel said the registry has done little to curb crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...f_the_registry

BillyBob · #38 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

You have got to be kidding mate!

Those photos of kids with guns are just sickening. You probably should join your mad Seppo mates if you like that sort of crap.

That sort of nonsense is the last thing we need down here.

Jeez, I never realized what a bunch of wimps australians are.

bugalugs · #39 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChief

explain yourself, why is it sickening?

Children with guns!?!?! Do I really need to explain myself? <<<MOD EDIT>>>

Do you really want Australia to be like the USA? With every idiot thinking he has some sort of "right" to play out his Rambo fantasies?

Sure, if you've got a property with feral pigs, or dogs or too many roos - a gun may be a useful tool (though it is still better to hire a professional shooter). There is absolutely no reason for anyone else to own one here.

What has the love affair with guns given your Seppo mates? Over in the good ol' USA, they have (per capita):

- 4 times the homicide rate we have (including 11 times more homicides involving guns),
- 5 times more accidental deaths involving fierearms, and
- almost 5 times more total deaths from firearms
http://www.allcountries.org/gun_deaths_by_country.html

What possible reason could you have for wanting to inflict that sort of nonsense on Australia? What possible reason could you have for wanting to teach Australian children how to handle weapons?

C-D-P · #40 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 07:13 PM

Bug, it is obvious that you are against guns. But how about you post without insults?

Anyway. Do you know what the difference is between those people that commited crimes and that kid in the picture above is? Yup, you guessed it. That kid is not a criminal.

Also, you may have noticed. But your crime did not go down with the buy back.

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