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Old 04-20-2008, 09:48 PM
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And why should collectors have more rights than the citizenry?
Because if they were limited to one handgun a month, they wouldn't be able to complete their collection.

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All of these bad laws happened, and the citizens could do nothing because the government knew who had the guns.
Why would they have done anything. Some just refused to register their guns.


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Individual police chiefs, however, have condemned the registry. Former RCMP Commissioner Norm Inkster stated in the National Post on 14 December 2004 that "the registry does little or nothing to help police link actual crimes to actual guns". Former Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino pointed out the registry hasn't helped Toronto police solve a single homicide and "has been of precious little help". Retired Assistant Commissioner Robert Head - a life member of the CACP - called the gun registry "the greatest waste of law enforcement funds that has ever been inflicted on the Canadian taxpayer". Borden-Carlton Police Chief Jamie Fox called the registry "...a massive waste of tax dollars that could have been spent on health care and other pressing social needs." London Police Chief Brian Collins said "It's such a disaster."

Police associations have also condemned the firearms registry. Sgt. Peter Ratcliff, as president of the Edmonton Police Association, described it as "... fraught with problems. It's taken too long, it's cost too much money, it's full of errors." The president of the Alberta Federation of Police Officers, Peter Kawalilak, said "It's a bad law, I'll say that right now." The President of the Calgary Police Association said the program has had no effect on crime and "Despite the money spent, it should be scrapped." Winnipeg Police Association president Loren Schinkel said the registry has done little to curb crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...f_the_registry
What I was referring to was the handgun registry of 1934. The long-gun registry came in around 2002 I think, and obviously it had nothing to do with anything, because 97% of the gun being registered were hunting guns. Obviously it was a huge faliure, and a waste of money.
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Children with guns!?!?! Do I really need to explain myself? <<<MOD EDIT>>>
Yes what is your problem with firearms?

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Do you really want Australia to be like the USA? With every idiot thinking he has some sort of "right" to play out his Rambo fantasies?
Do you think if you gave australians guns we would go rambo? i for one certainly wouldn't.

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Sure, if you've got a property with feral pigs, or dogs or too many roos - a gun may be a useful tool (though it is still better to hire a professional shooter). There is absolutely no reason for anyone else to own one here.
I do target shooting every week. If were not allowed to practise shooting what will we do for the olympics? not compete?

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- 4 times the homicide rate we have
Nothing to do with guns. This is because of Americas higher crime rates. (caused by more poverty and racial tension) Please show me evidence linking guns to homicide rates. Your argument is one dimensional.

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(including 11 times more homicides involving guns),
Guns are a medium for homicide not the cause and as C-D-P mentioned 4 times as many people are killed with knifes than guns in America. (doesn't add up seeing all americans have access to knifes but only half have guns???)

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- 5 times more accidental deaths involving fierearms, and
- almost 5 times more total deaths from firearms
http://www.allcountries.org/gun_deaths_by_country.html
This is poor gun storage and safety it's a reason to promote gun training and safety. (especially for children)

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What possible reason could you have for wanting to inflict that sort of nonsense on Australia? What possible reason could you have for wanting to teach Australian children how to handle weapons?
There is nothing wrong with guns. Promoting safe use of guns at a young age is if anything beneficial to ensuring the safety of our children. Crime and violence have nothing to do with guns. If you think guns are the source of crime and hate please show some evidence instead of being insulting.

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Old 04-21-2008, 05:56 AM
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Jeez, I never realized what a bunch of wimps australians are.
We australians arn't wimps. We just don't know any better yet. Give it time Billy.

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We australians arn't wimps. We just don't know any better yet. Give it time Billy.
I got a question fer ya brother. Why are most of your women so anxious to get with us when we get off the ship? They were literally throwing phone numbers at us.
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The kids who shot up Columbine and Virginia Tech had full intent to kill. They knew what they were doing. There was no misuse there. Teaching them how to use the gun will enable them to use it irresponsibly.
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The kids who shot up Columbine and Virginia Tech had full intent to kill. They knew what they were doing. There was no misuse there. Teaching them how to use the gun will enable them to use it irresponsibly.
And those children were deeply disturbed individuals. They fell threw the cracks. It also seems that they had little to no education in regards to firearms. Had they, they may have viewed them differently.

You would be up in arms if you were not allowed to have kids because a few parents killed theirs.

Additionally, if Virgina Tech were not a gun free zone. Those students that were murdered would have been afforded the ability to protect themselves.
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Do you think if you gave australians guns we would go rambo? i for one certainly wouldn't..
Why do you want a gun then?
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And those children were deeply disturbed individuals. They fell threw the cracks. It also seems that they had little to no education in regards to firearms. Had they, they may have viewed them differently.

You would be up in arms if you were not allowed to have kids because a few parents killed theirs.

Additionally, if Virgina Tech were not a gun free zone. Those students that were murdered would have been afforded the ability to protect themselves.
In 1996, a ban on semi-automatic weapons was enforced in Australia as a result of the Port Arthur massacre and several similar incidents in the 80s and early 90s.

Since that ban - there has been only one similar incident (2002 at Monash Uni in Melbourne when 2 peolple were killed and 5 wounded)

How many innocent Americans have been killed by heavily armed nutters in schools or shopping malls since 1996?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

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Bug, it is obvious that you are against guns. But how about you post without insults?
I guess not. Come back when you can be civil. We can talk then.
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Anyway. Do you know what the difference is between those people that commited crimes and that kid in the picture above is? Yup, you guessed it. That kid is not a criminal.
Where did I limit things to just criminal activity?

I quoted 5 times more accidental deaths involving fierearms, and almost 5 times more total deaths from firearms in the USA then Australia.

That is not acceptable

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Also, you may have noticed. But your crime did not go down with the buy back.
Why would crime go down with the 1996 gun buy back?

Relatively few crimes in Australia involve guns, and the idea of owning a gun as protection against crime is very very rare here. We have never had a "constitutional right" to own a gun, and most people never have. Most in fact (like me) have never even seen one up close, let alone handled one.

Why would the 1996 buy-back have any impact on crime in general?

It has stopped random shootings by loonies though.
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