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Most adult Australians grow out of thinking they are Ned Kelly.

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Have you ever stood toe to toe with someone that was intent on kicking your arse? C-D-P

Hence proper training. As I have said in almost every weapon related thread I have posted on.



Many of the anti gunners seem to think that fewer guns owned by citizens means lower crime.

Yes, hence my statment that reducing the number of weapons has done nothing, so what was its purpose?

No, but you have the God given right to self defense. You may not feel a need to do so. But some do.

And as such, a poor knowledge of them. This makes it very difficult to talk to you.


Random shootings by loonies would be crime. And IIRC, the trend set in Aus (be it a small one) is every decade or so. And when it happens again (and it will eventually) you will not be able to defend yourself.

Can you address Chief's questions?

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

I didn't say they were a "source of crime and hate ". They are just an unnecessarily dangerous instrument to have in society.

Why do you want a gun? You say you do target shooting - fine, if you must, go for your life - but leave the gun locked up at your shooting club. Keep them out of homes. But you expressed admiration at the the photos of machine guns or whatever they were on other pages - they don't use those bastards in the Olympics do they? What do you want one of those for?.

If you are a vet or a ranger or a roo/pig shooter, sure get licenced and get a gun - but there never any need for any city dwellers to ever have one.

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Have you ever stood toe to toe with someone that was intent on kicking your arse? C-D-P

As I posted earlier:

In 1996, a ban on semi-automatic weapons was enforced in Australia as a result of the Port Arthur massacre and several similar incidents in the 80s and early 90s.

Since that ban - there has been only one similar incident (2002 at Monash Uni in Melbourne when 2 peolple were killed and 5 wounded)

How many innocent Americans have been killed by heavily armed nutters in schools or shopping malls since 1996?

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Have you ever stood toe to toe with someone that was intent on kicking your arse? C-D-P

A firearm is not dangerous. It is the person that wields it that is dangerous. No gun ever killed someone on its own.

Bug, I know that you were not referring to me. But I have a question. What would the difference be between locking it up at the range, and properly storing it in his home?

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

Australians have absolutely ZERO training about guns. Yet our death rate is 5 times less than the USA.

What are you guys doing wrong?

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Have you ever stood toe to toe with someone that was intent on kicking your arse? C-D-P

As I posted earlier, rifles make up between 2 and 5% (the so called "assault weapon" would be an even smaller percentage) of the weapons used in a crime. Compare that to millions that have never been used to illegally injure a human.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

As I have said before, you can not compare country to country, only trends in each country.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

I don't know about the USA - but the most common crimes in Australia are domestic assault and common assault under the influence of alcohol.

Both unpleasant crimes - but imagine how even more unpleasant they become if there is a firearm in the house.

I do understand your argument that a gun is fine in the hands of a trained person. But surely even you would agree - that more often than not guns end up in the wrong hands. And the presence of a firearm, turns a common assault or drunken fight into a homicide (or multiple homicide) very quickly.

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Have you ever stood toe to toe with someone that was intent on kicking your arse? C-D-P

A nutter with a firearm can kill a lot of people (as we have seen over and over again). A nutter without one is far less deadly. We have made it much much harder for nutters to get one. Makes sense to me.

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Have you ever stood toe to toe with someone that was intent on kicking your arse? C-D-P