12 years without semi-automatic weapons. Seems to be working OK.

How many massacres have there been in the USA in the past 12 years?


Location Date/Year Death toll

Frontier Junior High shooting Moses Lake, Washington, United States February 2, 1996 3
Bethel High School shooting Bethel, Alaska, United States February 19, 1997 2
Pearl High School shooting Pearl, Mississippi, United States October 1, 1997 3
Heath High School shooting West Paducah, Kentucky United States December 1, 1997 3
Westside Middle School shooting Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States March 24, 1998 5
Parker Middle School shooting Edinboro, Pennsylvania, United States April 24, 1998 1
Thurston High School shooting Springfield, Oregon, United States May 21, 1998 4
Columbine High School massacre Littleton, Colorado, United States April 20, 1999 15
Heritage High School shooting Conyers, Georgia, United States May 20, 1999 0
Buell Elementary School shooting Mount Morris Township, Michigan, United States February 29, 2000 1
Santana High School shooting Santee, California, United States March 5, 2001 2
Granite Hills High School shooting El Cajon, California, United States March 22, 2001 0
Appalachian School of Law shooting Grundy, Virginia, United States January 16, 2002 3
University of Arizona School of Nursing shooting Tucson, Arizona, United States October 28, 2002 4
John McDonough High School shooting New Orleans, Louisiana, United States April 14, 2003 1
Red Lion Area Junior High School shootings Red Lion, Pennsylvania, United States April 24, 2003 2
Case Western Reserve University shooting Cleveland, Ohio, United States May 9, 2003 1
Rocori High School shootings Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States September 24, 2003 2
Red Lake High School massacre Red Lake, Minnesota, United States March 21, 2005 10
Campbell County High School shooting Jacksboro, Tennessee, United States November 8, 2005 1
Pine Middle School shooting Reno, Nevada, United States March 14, 2006
Platte Canyon High School shooting Bailey, Colorado, United States September 27, 2006 2
Weston High School shooting Cazenovia, Wisconsin, United States September 29, 2006 1
Amish school shooting Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States October 2, 2006 6
Virginia Tech massacre Blacksburg, Virginia, United States April 16, 2007 33
Delaware State University shooting Dover, Delaware, United States September 21, 2007 1
SuccessTech Academy shooting Cleveland, Ohio, United States October 10, 2007 1
Notre Dame Elementary shooting Portsmouth, Ohio, United States February 7, 2008 1
Louisiana Technical College shooting Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States February 8, 2008 3
Mitchell High School shooting Memphis, Tennessee, United States February 11, 2008 0
E.O. Green School shooting Oxnard, California, United States February 12, 2008 1
Northern Illinois University shooting DeKalb, Illinois, United States February 14, 2008 6

And that's just the school shootings

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I'm not sure if we are in fact both probable arn't we all need to learn to use them more responsible wouldn't you argee?

Yes there accidental deaths due to guns would be higher because they own more guns. Just like a country with more heavy machinery would have more accidental deaths due to machinery. This means more training in there use not outlawing them.

Didn't lower crimes.

Its terrible.. if only they weren't gun free zones...

Hey bugalugs . . .

Are gun restrictions really effective for crime reduction?

I mean the reason you Aussies have historically had strict gun controls is that, as a rule, prisoners are disarmed. Of course your nation has no history of individual gun rights and liberty from arbitrary legislative injury, ...<<<Numerous Personal Attacks Removed per TOS>>> Your country needed America to protect it after the Japanese bombed Darwin and the Brits shrugged their shoulders . . .

That's enough history for now, here's the question:

If strict gun laws are the answer to a nation's crime problem why haven't they worked in Jamaica? Here is a nation continuously building gun laws on a similar legacy of British colony gun restrictions but it suffers from abhorrently high gun crime.

Please explain how this Utopia of gun control has failed . . .

For your reading pleasure:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel091001.shtml

Because I have the right to defend my home and my property. A firearm is the best tool for that job.

As I said before they offer a higher hit probability (the greater the distance between front and rear sights the more room for error in sighting), and there is less chance of a through and through that will retain a lethal velocity (depending on caliber and type).

In regards to home defense. My pistol will get me to my rifle. In an urban area you are more likely to encounter an intruder in your home.

Statistics have shown that "the fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder. 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders. Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens"

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...8/224253.shtml

So by educating lawful owners, and focusing on the criminals instead of citizens you are more likely to see an effect than to not educate the good guys, and try to take away the good guy's tools.

And once again I am not talking about educating the criminals, I am talking about educating the citizens, while hitting the criminals before they get to the point where they commit murder.

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Rick, lets keep this civil.

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Here is an interesting tidbit of information. Aus leads the world in burglaries at 21.7454 per 1,000 people. I wonder what would happen if those criminals did not know that a majority of your citizens are unarmed. Obviously you can not blame that solely on the lack of weapons. But it is interesting none the less.

Please note that is three times more than the U.S.

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Why not blame the parents? They are the ones who sent their children to a gun-free zone to be massacred. Any parent who sends the child onto a gun free zone is clearly irresponsible/unfit for parenting and should have his children taken away from them.

Its very terrible indeed. Anyone stupid enough to wonder onto a gun free zone clearly deserves to be mugged/raped/killed. Its not the gun-free zone that is the problem, its the idiots who wonder onto it that are the problem.

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No people should be allowed to seek education. It's the governments fault for making schools such easy targets..

Do I detect a bit if sarcasm?

I blame the people that shot them. But I believe that the school played a part in it, because they removed the individual's right to self defense without properly protecting them. You can never rely 100% on someone else to protect you from crime. I do no blame the parents that sent them to that school.

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