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04-21-2008, 11:21 AM
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So you have 2% of stuents who actual MIGHT choose to arm themselves. Of that 2%, half are probably carrying just to be cool/for attention, and they would just run away in an emergency. So you have like 1% who are serious. Its pretty difficult to get rid of gun-free zones on schools because most stuudents either support it, or don't care. This attitude by students allows the administration to feel pretty safe with these policies. That doesn't mean its right for a school administration to unilaterally impliment a no-gun policy. They should at least send a referrendum to students, who would probably overwelmingly pass it. Good or bad, schools are private entitites and I don't think its governments business getting involved in school affairs/administration. If schools want that policy, then thats their choice.
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The funny thing is, I don't think we have many gun-free zones at Canadian universities. I have never heard of one at the university I attend. I know the University of Toronto had a gun range for over a century, and it was common to see people coming and going with their guns (in cases), although it was closed down last year.
Obviously an authorization to carry a handgun in Canada is almost impossible to get. They do exist though and some judges and high profile witnesses are known to have carried. But if you have one, its good to use anywhere because its in the Criminal Code if Canada, which would superceed a conflictual law or regulation made at a lower level. In terms of rifles and shotguns, I could probably drive on and off my campus with them and there would be no problem. But obviously no one is just going to start walking around campus with rifles and shotguns. I wouldn't. Police would there in no time asking me what im doing, and they would pull something out of there ass to charge me with.
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Anyway. Imagine if one of that 2% were in the first classroom.
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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting... Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it? Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range. Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children? You're equipping them to become violent killers. Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?
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I do not think that you guys are giving the legal owners enough credit. Per the reference posted earlier, crime committed by CCW holders is something like 2% (I will check my numbers after I post). And I would be willing to bet that a majority of those cases are from liberal judges that tend to not rule well in cases of justifiable homicide.
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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting... Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it? Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range. Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children? You're equipping them to become violent killers. Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you? Last edited by C-D-P; 04-21-2008 at 02:17 PM.
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04-21-2008, 02:28 PM
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I assume that they are saying this because of the sheer number of schools in the U.S. But anyway. Back to my earlier questions.
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But of course you are right. The USA does have a lot of schools. Having a few children shot in their classrooms every now and again is statistically insignificant and only to be expected.
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And while yes, it is statistically a small number. I still think it is too high a number. But banning weapons for citizens will solve nothing.
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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting... Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it? Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range. Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children? You're equipping them to become violent killers. Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?
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