me too but thats a medical condition id rather not go into..

might even subdue the people who want all out bans.

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Manu Chao - Bongo Bong

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

Think I'd rather you didn't go into either.

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Manu Chao - Bongo Bong

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

Which is why I have suggested tax breaks on purchases if the purchaser completes optional training courses before buying. And maybe tax breaks on other things if they continue to receive training after they own. I do not believe that you can require training for something that is a right.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

I'd go with that, pretty good idea actually, personally taxes is generally where I lean more to the left, but that's a pretty good idea.

I'm still not convinced about certain "rights", but I'll compromise that point for now.

Has anyone in congress suggested this idea?

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Manu Chao - Bongo Bong

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

I do not know. I doubt it. Most people seem to want to rather make people "feel" safe, instead of allowing them to make themselves safe.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

That and it's a compromise, which neither side likes to do. And this is what's fundamentally wrong with our society. No one wants to give anything, which in turn leads to no one taking anything. Which is why in so many ways society is stagnant. No compromise and fear to try something new in case it hurts their political career.

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Manu Chao - Bongo Bong

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

There are good and bad things from licensing.

If you want to give tax credits, then they should refund the full value of the course, as well as give a bit extra (for the gun), or else people won't take the course. In Canada where a basic course is mandatory for licensing, its like 100 dollars or something for the basic safety course, but theres no tax incentive (unfortunately). I actually learned a lot from the course, even though it was pretty easy to pass. The only way to fail the test instantly is to point the gun at another person, and you lose marks here and there when you don't abide by the safety rules, like placing the gun down loaded, not engaging the safety, not checking the chamber, using the wrong shells, stuff like that. We used dummy shells of course. Safety is pretty much ingrained into your head after the course, and now that its been several months since I took it, I still remember everything.

So yea I have a license with my picture on it (plastic card not a piece of paper) and it looks pretty cool (purple and blue with a watermark of Canada behind the information). The good thing is you can just buy anything you want without having to go through a retarded background check every single time. Licensing is useful too for controlling ammo, you need the license to get the ammo and to possess ammo. Not perfect but helps a bit.

Banning assualt weapons is an overall a stupid idea. Even if you think they are overkill for self-defense, they are fun to target shoot with. So they should not be limited.

Banning rounds with huge penetration is also useless. I'm pretty sure it would be manslaughter (negligent) if you kill someone else by being careless in either round selection, or not checking whats beyond your target. If thats not a deterrent than I don't know what is.

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"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." — John Stuart Mill

I agree. But there are some things that should not be compromised on.

Bore. I am not a big fan of licensing. It really does nothing to curb crime, and interferes with the individuals right, and anonymity. It also will spend more money than it saves, while not greatly increasing the ability of the LEO to solve crime.

I agree that a full refund would be best. But I doubt that would be possible. There is only so much money out there. Maybe they could make it a free thing put on by the local PD.

Every PD has their own firearms instructors. Some are contracted, others are a collateral duty responsibility. I have trained with some LEOs, and have seen how much time a number of these range instructors have on their hands. I do not think that it would be too tough to take a few hours a day and teach some people how to properly handle and fire the weapon they are about to buy.

I do believe that it is the individual owner's responsibility to seek training. But not enough live up to that responsibility. And then you have some people that think they already know it all, and need no training.

I honestly think that almost any ban is pretty idiotic. Because if a bad guy wants it, there is a way for him to get it. AP rounds really are not that big of a deal. And they do not really offer anything special for a majority of the weapons used today. I can see HEAIP rounds as unnecessary for most owners. But if they can afford the yearly tax on each round, more power to them. Besides. HEAIP does not really do anything special unless you are trying to render safe an IED, or what not.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

If someone lives in a basement, its probably OK to use .50 BMG. If it overpenetrates the intruder (obviously it would rip him in half), it will just get stuck into the concrete wall, making it impossible to kill anyone.

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"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." — John Stuart Mill