Chicago Atty Pays $125 to Anyone Who Turns in a Gun

Ziggae_6 · #1 (**permalink**) 06-17-2008, 06:28 AM

Here's a guy who wants to get guns off the street and puts up his own cash to help make it happen.

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'Judge' doing his part to get guns off street
Raymond Figueroa offers $125 to anyone who turns in firearms

June 17, 2008

BY MARK BROWN Sun-Times Columnist
For three months now, Raymond Figueroa has been running his own private turn-in-your-guns reward program from his Division Street storefront law office.

Figueroa is offering to pay $125 to anyone living in the 14th Police District on the Near Northwest Side for each functioning gun that they voluntarily surrender to police.
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http://www.suntimes/news/brown/index.html

NoSocialism.com · #2 (**permalink**) 06-17-2008, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ziggae_6

Here's a guy who wants to get guns off the street and puts up his own cash to help make it happen.

Taking illegal guns off the streets is an admirable thing to do, what I don't like about Chicago is their constant attempts at making it illegal for lawful citizens to own guns.

I remember reading a story about Brazil, and how there's this Trade route in the Amazon, where these boats go and there's certain areas that they have to be REALLY careful, because there are armed thugs who will come out and steal anything and everything that isn't bolted down on these trading boats.

The Captains would protect themselves, except that it is illegal for anyone to carry firearms in Brazil, so of course the only ones who have the weapons is the Criminals.

Hopefully, the U.S. won't devolve to that point.

TheChief · #3 (**permalink**) 06-17-2008, 07:20 AM

Hopefully it will get a few illegal guns out of the system. Also would be great to trade in (*)(*)(*)(*)ty old broken guns for $$$ i dount he'd know that they weren't functioning..

Also glad its a person and not the government..

Makedde · #4 (**permalink**) 06-17-2008, 11:06 PM

$125 isn't enough...

C-D-P · #5 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggae_6

Here's a guy who wants to get guns off the street and puts up his own cash to help make it happen.

Yeah thats a good idea!

Me, honest citizen payed 1100 for a Kimber Custom Covert II go turn it in for $125. You must be smoking crack!

Bad guy hears bout this, breaks into a guys house steals his pistol, and turns it into this guy for $125.

Gang banger tuns in his stolen pistol gets 125, then goes out and buys two more stolen pistols with that money.

Yeah great frigging idea.

Idiot. Totally frigging stupid.

Did none of us learn from the buy backs in Canada or Aus?

Ziggae_6 · #6 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

Did none of us learn from the buy backs in Canada or Aus?

No, I guess not because they were learning from the City of Chicago's buyback.

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Police Net 7,000 Guns In Buyback Program
Alderman Calls For National Gun Law

POSTED: 7:44 pm CDT July 31, 2007
UPDATED: 8:12 pm CDT July 31, 2007

Officials said it was the biggest gun turn-in ever in the entire nation, with nearly 7,000 guns turned in, but they added that it represented just a tiny percentage of the firepower in streets and in people's homes.

"Look at these -- all types of guns," said Mayor Richard M. Daley. "This is only part of it -- who needs these guns? They're going to kill someone on your block."

Everyone who turned in a gun received a $100 gift card, NBC5's Anna Davlantes reported.

Daley appeared at the news conference, and stood with clergy, city leaders and the families of victims killed by gun violence.

Alderman Sharon Dixon (24th) called for a national law to strengthen gun control efforts.

"If there was only one gun here, it was worth the effort," Daley said. "Because that could have killed someone's son or daughter."

Ronald Holt, a 17-year veteran police officer, lost his only child, Blair, when he was fatally shot on the bus he was taking from school last May.

"You couldn't have told me that I would be standing on this side of the podium," Holt said. "For the past two years, I was part of the gun turn-in initiative in my district, in the 5th District."

Police said they destroyed the guns that were turned in.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/13793257/detail.html

C-D-P · #7 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggae_6

No, I guess not because they were learning from the City of Chicago's buyback.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/13793257/detail.html

You sir are missing the point here. The only people that will be turning in their firearms are those who are so broke they have to sell something to make it by, and those who know they can get two more with what they are given.

Gift cards, much like the food stamp trade go for about 50 cents on the dollar. In that part of the states I can get an (illegal) cheap piece for between fifty and 75 dollars.

Give em 120 for one, you just bought them two. Or you just bought them one and got them drugs for a week. Take your pick.

It is admirable that he is putting up his own to try to help out. But these methods do not work.

7000 guns? That is nothing considering that there are tens of thousands of guns in that city.

Stop focusing on the tool of the problem and focus on the frigging problem.

If is saves one life it is worth it? Please! The money they wasted on that one endeavor could have funded a years worth of other projects that would have saved thousands of children's lives.

Ziggae_6 · #8 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

You sir are missing the point here. The only people that will be turning in their firearms are those who are so broke they have to sell something to make it by, and those who know they can get two more with what they are given.

Gift cards, much like the food stamp trade go for about 50 cents on the dollar. In that part of the states I can get a cheap piece for between fifty and 75 dollars.

Give em 120 for one, you just bought them two. Or you just bought them one and got them drugs for a week. Take your pick.

It is admirable that he is putting up his own to try to help out. But these methods do not work.

7000 guns? That is nothing considering that there are tens of thousands of guns in that city.

Stop focusing on the tool of the problem and focus on the frigging problem.

If is saves one life it is worth it? Please! The money they wasted on that one endeavor could have funded a years worth of other projects that would have saved thousands of children's lives.

You know the profiles of the 7,000 citizens that participated? If so, please post the link of that information. Otherwise you're just stating opinion and speculation and playing fast with the facts. Daley admits its only a fraction of the guns so you're not telling us anything new. These programs get people of the community involved and bring awareness of the problem although I can't put a dollar figure on that. That's about as difficult as putting a dollar figure on a human life, so the answer may not lie in simple accounting. Of course you could outline how much this actually cost the city and how that translates to saving thousands of children's (but not adults?) lives. Facts or exaggerations to disprove the effectiveness of such programs? 7000 still sounds impressive and the goal of the attorney is to get more people involved into a bigger push. Cannot hurt.

C-D-P · #9 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggae_6

You know the profiles of the 7,000 citizens that participated? If so, please post the link of that information. Otherwise you're just stating opinion and speculation and playing fast with the facts.

I don't need to. Common sense will tell you that no one is going to turn in a thousand dollar collectors item unless he has to because of finantial problems, or if he did not pay that for it and knows he can get two more with what he can get two more cheap ones for it.

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Daley admits its only a fraction of the guns so you're not telling us anything new.

No kidding I'm not telling you anything new, but I am telling you something he is not, hence this part of my last post.

"If is saves one life it is worth it? Please! The money they wasted on that one endeavor could have funded a years worth of other projects that would have saved thousands of children's lives."

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These programs get people of the community involved and bring awareness of the problem

The guns are not the problem bright box.

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although I can't put a dollar figure on that.

Well lets go by your above quote. 7000 guns at 100 dollars a pop. That is a whole $70,000.

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That's about as difficult as putting a dollar figure on a human life, so the answer may not lie in simple accounting.

True, it is difficult to put a price tag on a human life, but I do know that I can provide for a child in the state's custody for twelve dollars a day. That means that $70,000 would provide for 58 thousand children for one day. Or 159 children for a year. The costs do not outweigh what can be done, considering that those who (via common sense) turned in their guns either would have never committed a crime with them, or went out and purchased two more firearms.

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Of course you could outline how much this actually cost the city and how that translates to saving thousands of children's (but not adults?) lives.

Even adults, do you want me to post how much that 70k would have given adults in that area?

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Facts or exaggerations to disprove the effectiveness of such programs? 7000 still sounds impressive and the goal of the attorney is to get more people involved into a bigger push. Cannot hurt.

It is supposed to sound impressive. That is the point. It is supposed to make you FEEL better about the world. But in fact, as has been seen throughout history and in the rest of the world, it does not solve anything.

That money would have been much better spent in anyone of a million other venues such as law enforcement, early intervention, education, ect ad nauseum.

Point in fact, the guns are not the problem. And giving people money for them will solve nothing.

Ziggae_6 · #10 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

I don't need to. Common sense will tell you that no one is going to turn in a thousand dollar collectors item unless he has to because of finantial problems, or if he did not pay that for it and knows he can get two more with what he can get two more cheap ones for it.

No kidding I'm not telling you anything new, but I am telling you something he is not, hence this part of my last post.

"If is saves one life it is worth it? Please! The money they wasted on that one endeavor could have funded a years worth of other projects that would have saved thousands of children's lives."

Oh, and the bright box dig, usually a sign that you're struggling with an answer.

The guns are not the problem bright box.

Well lets go by your above quote. 7000 guns at 100 dollars a pop. That is a whole $70,000.

True, it is difficult to put a price tag on a human life, but I do know that I can provide for a child in the state's custody for twelve dollars a day. That means that $70,000 would provide for 58 thousand children for one day. Or 159 children for a year. The costs do not outweigh what can be done, considering that those who (via common sense) turned in their guns either would have never committed a crime with them, or went out and purchased two more firearms.

Even adults, do you want me to post how much that 70k would have given adults in that area?

It is supposed to sound impressive. That is the point. It is supposed to make you FEEL better about the world. But in fact, as has been seen throughout history and in the rest of the world, it does not solve anything.

That money would have been much better spent in anyone of a million other venues such as law enforcement, early intervention, education, ect ad nauseum.

Point in fact, the guns are not the problem. And giving people money for them will solve nothing.

Fast and loose. Common sense = no proof and thus opinion. If it can't be measured, any subjective interpretation will work as long as it fits what you're trying to argue. The story of the thousands of kids lifes ended up equaling taking care of 159 kids for the year with $12 a day that provided WHAT in the state of Illinois? Let's imagine that part of the cost of those gift cards may be donated. That wouldn't be unusual or that sponsorship paid for a portion of the cost. We don't know exactly how much because I'm speculating (which I admit)---much like you are speculating on the cost to the city. Fast and loose. Editorializing on guns either being or not being the problem is an opinion similiar to the chicken and the egg.

Thanks for offering your opinions. I'll keep mine, thanks.

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