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FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research."8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey," Politico, March 31, 20087. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...-common-sehtml)

5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck...n_obamas_c.php)

7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. (http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)

9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioio...n_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action," February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/b..._on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ." (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ur...aw-enforcement.)
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Yup. True.

DO you think that will stop the ignorant masses from voting for him?
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Yup. True.

DO you think that will stop the ignorant masses from voting for him?
no but I had the facts and gave the sources but when you have them they do not respond?
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no but I had the facts and gave the sources but when you have them they do not respond?
No, they only respond when they think you do not have anything to back your claims. You will now have to deal with nothing but rhetoric and subdiversion.

BTW Thanks for spoiling a future debate. I have been holding onto these sources for several months now waiting on someone to say Obama was progun.

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Micro stamping? ban on cheap weapons? waiting periods? DOES HE KNOW ANYTHING?!?!
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Perhaps Obama will meet his fate at the end of a one of the guns he's trying to ban.

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Micro stamping? ban on cheap weapons? waiting periods? DOES HE KNOW ANYTHING?!?!
Is that a rhetorical question? Oh wait! BB. If that were to happen, then you know the left would start pushing hard to ban all types from everyone.
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Rhetorical.. nope it has an answer.
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He knows that the best way to get guns banned is to make the issue represent the fears of the majority and to use indirect means to achieve an eventual total ban.

If enough people believe that criminals are not blame, but the guns are, they will support him just to feel better.

Additionally, he knows that actually calling for a total gun ban will never work. But by restricting ammo sales, increasing licensing, and regulating every part of the industry, they can achieve an undeclared ban.

And they only thing we can do is share the information the banners want hidden and keep on fighting.
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He knows that the best way to get guns banned is to make the issue represent the fears of the majority and to use indirect means to achieve an eventual total ban.

If enough people believe that criminals are not blame, but the guns are, they will support him just to feel better.

Additionally, he knows that actually calling for a total gun ban will never work. But by restricting ammo sales, increasing licensing, and regulating every part of the industry, they can achieve an undeclared ban.

And they only thing we can do is share the information the banners want hidden and keep on fighting.
This is the liberals policy on just about everything. Scare people into submission then offer a cure. Its a (*)(*)(*)(*) shame. Lets just hope the majority of people can see right through it.
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